The Supremes

[Whack9]

Regulations aren't all bad. Regulations are often there for a reason, oftentimes to protect "we the people" from those who would otherwise not give a second thought to putting the lives of "we the people" in danger for profit.

Like it or not, our actions affect others. If a river flows through my property, but downstream others rely on the same river, dumping harmful chemicals in the river is going to have an impact on others downstream that also rely upon the water.

Those that argue against regulations will say that we ought to let the market decide; companies that cause pain and suffering will go under because people will vote with their wallets and go elsewhere. But what they ignore is much of the damage has already been done by that point in time.

You can tell people are brainwashed beyond redemption when many people barely scraping by argue against regulations in favor of giant multi billion dollar conglomerates because it's "good for the economy".

[Vrede too]

Regulations aren't all bad. Regulations are often there for a reason, oftentimes to protect "we the people" from those who would otherwise not give a second thought to putting the lives of "we the people" in danger for profit....

In fact, heaps of regs were put in place at the request of business, either to protect it from other nasty businesses or to prevent having to compete with unfair or unethical business practices. For example, most professional licensing is the result of businesses wanting to protect their entire trade from being sullied by incompetent and unscrupulous practitioners.

[GoCubsGo]

Regulations aren't all bad. Regulations are often there for a reason, oftentimes to protect "we the people" from those who would otherwise not give a second thought to putting the lives of "we the people" in danger for profit....

In fact, heaps of regs were put in place at the request of business, either to protect it from other nasty businesses or to prevent having to compete with unfair or unethical business practices. For example, most professional licensing is the result of businesses wanting to protect their entire trade from being sullied by incompetent and unscrupulous practitioners.

You bring up an interesting point. Are we headed to a future where I can hang a shingle and call myself doctor?

Where is the line drawn?

[billy.pilgrim]

Regulations aren't all bad. Regulations are often there for a reason, oftentimes to protect "we the people" from those who would otherwise not give a second thought to putting the lives of "we the people" in danger for profit....

In fact, heaps of regs were put in place at the request of business, either to protect it from other nasty businesses or to prevent having to compete with unfair or unethical business practices. For example, most professional licensing is the result of businesses wanting to protect their entire trade from being sullied by incompetent and unscrupulous practitioners.

More egregious are rules written by industry that can be used in court or to prevent lawsuits - say bp 2010 Horizons disaster. They were in full compliance with the regulations they presented for licensing to do whatever they wanted in the Gulf of Mexico as their plan required them to protect the walrus and sea lions.

[Vrede too]

You bring up an interesting point. Are we headed to a future where I can hang a shingle and call myself doctor?

Where is the line drawn?

Not quite yet, but anyone can become POTUS, literally anyone.

I watched Ketanji Brown Jackson "solemnly swear (to) support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; ..."

Hey Justice Jackson, SYG!

[GoCubsGo]

. And sadly, too true.

[billy.pilgrim]

Did you read this article?

viewtopic.php?p=170390&hilit=Supreme#p170390

https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-suprem

Bad link. This is what you originally linked:
https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-suprem ... -preparing

The Supreme Court has Lit Our Planet on Fire
The SCOTUS has used it's ill-gotten power on behalf of the fossil fuel industry to cripple America’s ability to meet the challenge of climate change

The libertarians have won. All Hail the new feudalism.

E.P.A. Ruling Is Milestone in Long Pushback to Regulation of Business https://nyti.ms/3Ai6QKb

[GoCubsGo]

Signed.
815,000 now.

https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/clare ... as-must-go

[billy.pilgrim]

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/7/1 ... d-abortion

A 10 year old rape victim ID denied an abortion.

"This past Monday, a child abuse doctor in Ohio had a 10-year old rape victim in her office. She is six weeks and three days pregnant. She was obviously terrified, and instead of helping her, Ohio legislators turned on her. As soon as SCOTUS overturned Roe v. Wade, Ohio outlawed all abortion after six weeks. The child discovered she was pregnant three days too late. There was no longer any access to an abortion clinic in the state, and there were no exceptions made for child rape. Even if there was a doctor who would take pity on this horrible situation, the doctor would be taking an extreme risk of prosecution—along with possibly the child.

The child abuse doctor called a colleague in Indiana and begged to take her in. For now, abortion is legal in Indiana, so the gynecologist agreed and the girl was sent to Indiana. This won’t be an option soon. The state of Indiana, unfortunately, is convening a special session in three weeks to discuss banning the procedure. Most people expect it to pass quickly in their Republican legislature."

[GoCubsGo]

This country has lost it's fucking mind.

Ohio is set to pass legislation that creates a crime for anyone assisting those trying to get an abortion. It’s sponsored by one of the worst people in politics, Rep. Jean Schmidt, who’s been nicknamed “Mean Jean” by Ohioans. Schmidt, a Cincinnati Republican legislator, said there should be no exceptions for rape or incest—and even disgustingly said there is “opportunity” to be had with a pregnancy that is conceived in rape.

[Vrede too]

Signed.
815,000 now.

https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/clare ... as-must-go

Done, thanks.
841,526

Prosecutor on TV: Women and girls that were raped and did not report it immediately will have to choose between reporting the rape and an abortion because doing both will mean prosecution for the latter.

I'm not sure which state/s he was discussing.

[neoplacebo]

A few days ago I read a story about how Israel eased its abortion regulations right after Roe was overturned. I laughed out loud while wondering what the "Christian" Taliban would think of it since they have Israel so far up their ass. Apparently Jewish law does not recognize a fetus as a separate being and the Old Testament part of the bible also does not. It just made me think about how silent the "Christian" Taliban will be about this. This is not the same article I read earlier but it's another account of the Israeli action.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wi ... e-85799558

[Vrede too]

A few days ago I read a story about how Israel eased its abortion regulations right after Roe was overturned. I laughed out loud while wondering what the "Christian" Taliban would think of it since they have Israel so far up their ass. Apparently Jewish law does not recognize a fetus as a separate being and the Old Testament part of the bible also does not. It just made me think about how silent the "Christian" Taliban will be about this. This is not the same article I read earlier but it's another account of the Israeli action.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wi ... e-85799558

Thanks. Interesting that they liberalize their internal policy in rapid and direct response to ours. Israel is a long ways to go for an 'abortion vacation', but it's nice to know that it might be an option.

What the Bible says about
Abortion

Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.
...
The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.
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Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.
...
God sometimes approves of killing fetuses.
...
God sometimes kills newborn babies to punish their parents.
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God sometimes causes abortions by cursing unfaithful wives.
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God's law sometimes requires the execution (by burning to death) of pregnant women.
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The Psalmist prays that his enemies are aborted.
...

All OT. There's apparently no specific contradiction of these in the NT. There's also this elaboration in the OT:

The Bible's guide to abortion

In fact, Wiki:

... In Christianity, and in the Catholic Church in particular, opinion was divided on how serious abortion was in comparison with such acts as contraception, oral sex, and sex in marriage for pleasure rather than procreation;  and the Catholic Church did not begin vigorously opposing abortion until the 19th century....

[neoplacebo]

A few days ago I read a story about how Israel eased its abortion regulations right after Roe was overturned. I laughed out loud while wondering what the "Christian" Taliban would think of it since they have Israel so far up their ass. Apparently Jewish law does not recognize a fetus as a separate being and the Old Testament part of the bible also does not. It just made me think about how silent the "Christian" Taliban will be about this. This is not the same article I read earlier but it's another account of the Israeli action.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wi ... e-85799558

Thanks. Interesting that they liberalize their internal policy in rapid and direct response to ours. Israel is a long ways to go for an 'abortion vacation', but it's nice to know that it might be an option.

What the Bible says about
Abortion

Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.
...
The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.
...
Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.
...
God sometimes approves of killing fetuses.
...
God sometimes kills newborn babies to punish their parents.
...
God sometimes causes abortions by cursing unfaithful wives.
...
God's law sometimes requires the execution (by burning to death) of pregnant women.
...
The Psalmist prays that his enemies are aborted.
...

All OT. There's apparently no specific contradiction of these in the NT. There's also this elaboration in the OT:

The Bible's guide to abortion

In fact, Wiki:

... In Christianity, and in the Catholic Church in particular, opinion was divided on how serious abortion was in comparison with such acts as contraception, oral sex, and sex in marriage for pleasure rather than procreation;  and the Catholic Church did not begin vigorously opposing abortion until the 19th century....

My sister's daughter lost twins before birth a couple of years ago. I think I've mentioned before that sister and her husband are rabid right wing nutjobs; she carries her pistol everywhere and her husband quit his high dollar decades long job at CIba Geigy last year when the company initiated a vaccine mandate. I wonder if sister is aware that god will now and again stomp babies or pregnant women as a matter of his law or just to punish the baby's parents. And here's the punch line......my niece who lost the twins was married to a black guy who lived with her a couple of years and then left her when she was pregnant. I never heard sister or brother in law complain that their daughter married a black guy but I would bet anything that it initiated a feverish bout of prayer, wringing hands, and solemn perpetual angst and worry. But I do wonder if sister considers it to have been "god's work" all along. I'm not going to ask her. I didn't even call her on her birthday last month because last year she never answered nor called back when I left a message on her last birthday. Oh, one of the last times we had a conversation she told me that she'd adopted a "minimalist" lifestyle as far as house furnishing and decor.....they live in a $650K house.

[Vrede too]

My sister's daughter lost twins before birth a couple of years ago. I think I've mentioned before that sister and her husband are rabid right wing nutjobs; she carries her pistol everywhere and her husband quit his high dollar decades long job at Ciba Geigy last year when the company initiated a vaccine mandate.

... I do wonder if sister considers it to have been "god's work" all along. I'm not going to ask her....

That's too bad for your niece, and it's a shame that you're estranged from your sister.

"We can't know the mind of God," right? However, the faithful can see her/his works. Believers must admit that every spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) - around 30% to 50% of all fertilizations! - is at the hands of god, the Abortionist in Chief, often with the assistance of the polluters, racists and fat cats that RepuQs worship.

[neoplacebo]

Too bad and a shame. That about covers the US Supreme Court. Sister can always repent but I won't count on it.

[billy.pilgrim]

Too bad and a shame. That about covers the US Supreme Court. Sister can always repent but I won't count on it.

I have a sister like that.

[neoplacebo]

Too bad and a shame. That about covers the US Supreme Court. Sister can always repent but I won't count on it.

I have a sister like that.

It's weird, ain't it? Mine has been a sort of religious fanatic since about 1998 but since trump came along she's gone full Christian fascist. I've more than once pointed out to her that trump is pretty much the opposite of what she says she bases her life on but she just ignores that fact. As far as I'm concerned, willful ignorance is one of the most basic of sins.

[billy.pilgrim]

Too bad and a shame. That about covers the US Supreme Court. Sister can always repent but I won't count on it.

I have a sister like that.

It's weird, ain't it? Mine has been a sort of religious fanatic since about 1998 but since trump came along she's gone full Christian fascist. I've more than once pointed out to her that trump is pretty much the opposite of what she says she bases her life on but she just ignores that fact. As far as I'm concerned, willful ignorance is one of the most basic of sins.

Mine married a multimillionaire who has never had a job. They used to watch fox all day, everyday, but I imagine they have moved deeper into the trump cult by now.
They call themselves Job Creators.

[O Really]

You guys make me even more grateful to have been an only child.