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Maybe you should upgrade to an amphibious RV, O Really.
Experts warn California of a disaster 'larger than any in world history.' It's not an earthquake.

"Megadrought" may be the main weather concern across the West right now amid the constant threat of wildfires and earthquakes. But a new study warns another crisis is looming in California: "Megafloods."

Climate change is increasing the risk of future floods that could submerge multiple cities and displace millions of people across California, according to a new study released Friday.

It says that an extreme month-long storm could bring feet of rain – in some places, more than 100 inches – to hundreds of miles of California. Similarly unrelenting storms have happened in the past, before the region became home to tens-of-millions of people.

Now, each degree of global warming is dramatically upping the odds and size of the next megaflood, the study says....

In fact, the study found that climate change makes such catastrophic flooding twice as likely to occur.

Swain said that such massive statewide floods have occurred every century or two in California over the past millennia, and the current risk of such events has been substantially underestimated.

Long before climate change, California’s Great Flood of 1862 stretched up to 300 miles long and 60 miles across. According to the study, a similar flood now would displace 5-10 million people, cut off the state’s major freeways for perhaps weeks or months with massive economic effects, and submerge major Central Valley cities as well as parts of Los Angeles....

"Parts of cities such as Sacramento, Stockton, Fresno and Los Angeles would be under water even with today’s extensive collection of reservoirs, levees and bypasses. It is estimated that it would be a $1 trillion disaster, larger than any in world history," according to the statement....
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Maybe you should upgrade to an amphibious RV, O Really.
Yeah, that's a scary scenario, among the many others that have been painted. Even if you aren't where the flood is, you couldn't leave afterwards. For a huge state, California has remarkably few north/south transportation routes. You've got the 5, the 101 and the 395 and that's pretty much it. The 395 is on the east side of the mountains, and the 101 goes through a lot of urban. From where we are, we'd take the 8 east into AZ, and we'd leave as soon as the first serious predictions or weather warnings came on. Wherever we stay, fuel and fresh water tanks are always full, generators fuel and solar checked/charged. With reasonable preservation of resources, we're good for at least or over a week off grid.

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Average global high temps:

https://reddit.app.link/BCazfiY7Csb
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Average global high temps:

https://reddit.app.link/BCazfiY7Csb
Spooky and sad. As you know, our August has been mild, but I just heard on TV news that July was the third hottest globally on record. :(
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This was pretty interesting

Pumped Dry: The global crises of vanishing groundwater:

https://youtu.be/RjsThobgq7Q
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Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:15 pm
This was pretty interesting

Pumped Dry: The global crises of vanishing groundwater:

https://youtu.be/RjsThobgq7Q
Thanks. Looks depressing.

'Doomsday glacier' is melting faster than thought, study finds

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Vrede too wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:19 am
Whack9 wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:15 pm
This was pretty interesting

Pumped Dry: The global crises of vanishing groundwater:

https://youtu.be/RjsThobgq7Q
Thanks. Looks depressing.

'Doomsday glacier' is melting faster than thought, study finds

Crap.
It definitely was. I felt like it was a very well made documentary. It was mostly scientists and people directly affected speaking. Very little narration. I think that's why I resonated so well. Felt very much like it wasn't trying to drive a narrative but allowing the facts and experts to drive home the point themselves. Something like that.
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Manchin rails against 'revenge politics' on permit plan

Sen. Joe Manchin on Tuesday railed against what he called "revenge politics,'' as liberals in the House and Senate team up with Republicans to oppose his plan to speed permits for natural gas pipelines and other energy projects.

Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat who chairs the Senate Energy Committee, secured a commitment from President Joe Biden and Democratic leaders to include the permitting package in a stopgap government-funding bill in return for his support of a landmark law to curb climate change.

But in the weeks since Biden signed so-called Inflation Reduction Act last month, Democrats and environmental groups have lined up to oppose the permitting plan, calling it bad for the country and the climate. Climate hawks such as Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Massachusetts Sen. Ed Markey, along with dozens of House members, say the permitting plan should be excluded from the must-pass spending bill.

Many Republicans agree. Wyoming Sen. John Barrasso, the top Republican on the Senate energy panel, called the permitting deal a “political payoff” to Manchin, whose vote on the climate bill was crucial to the law's passage.

Manchin's actions on the climate — including secret negotiations with Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. — "engendered a lot of bad blood” among Republicans, Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, told reporters. “There’s not a lot of sympathy on our side to provide Sen. Manchin a reward.”
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At a news conference Tuesday, Manchin expressed bewilderment at such sentiment, saying he's “never seen" such an example of “revenge politics,'' with Sanders and the "extreme liberal left siding up with Republican leadership'' to oppose his plan.

"It's revenge towards one person — me,'' Manchin said.

“I'm hearing that the Republican leadership is upset,'' he added. “They're not going to give a victory to Joe Manchin. Well, Joe Manchin is not looking for a victory.''
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Replying Tuesday on Twitter, Sanders was defiant.

“Defeating the Big Oil side deal is not about revenge,″ he said. “It’s about whether we will stand with 650 environmental and civil rights organizations who understand that the future of the planet is with renewable energy and energy efficiency not approving the Mountain Valley Pipeline,″ a nearly-completed natural gas pipeline from northern West Virginia to southern Virginia. Manchin’s plan would expedite the pipeline and steer legal challenges to a different federal court.

... a letter signed by more than 70 House Democrats slams the proposal as a “dirty side deal being negotiated behind closed doors, outside of proper government process and the view of our families and communities who it will deeply impact.''

If passed, "this deal will only make it easier for the fossil-fuel industry to site polluting projects in our communities and perpetuate the industry’s practice of concentrating destructive pollution projects in communities of color and poor communities,'' said the letter, led by House Natural Resources Chairman Raul Grijalva of Arizona.
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... Schumer has said he will attach Manchin’s proposal to the stopgap funding bill, a promise Manchin said Tuesday he expects Schumer to keep.

The permitting plan "is going to be in the" funding bill to avert a government shutdown Sept. 30, Manchin said. If opponents are willing to close down the government “because of a personal attack on me, this is what makes people sick about politics,'' he added. “It makes me sick about it.'' ...
Funny, sleazy riders on must-pass bills make me sick about politics.
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Whack9 wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:57 am
Vrede too wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:19 am
Whack9 wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:15 pm
This was pretty interesting

Pumped Dry: The global crises of vanishing groundwater:

https://youtu.be/RjsThobgq7Q
Thanks. Looks depressing....
It definitely was. I felt like it was a very well made documentary. It was mostly scientists and people directly affected speaking. Very little narration. I think that's why I resonated so well. Felt very much like it wasn't trying to drive a narrative but allowing the facts and experts to drive home the point themselves. Something like that.
For your debates:
"More than 99.9% of studies agree: Humans caused climate change: (Cornell Chronicle)
https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2021/1 ... ate-change

Of course, one never "wins" an argument with an AGW denier. If they were capable of honest, intelligent and rational thought they wouldn't be deniers in the first place. However, an authoritative citation like this one can sometimes get them to STFU and disappear, freeing up the forum you're in for adult discourse.
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Vrede too wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:28 pm
Whack9 wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:57 am
Vrede too wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:19 am
Whack9 wrote:
Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:15 pm
This was pretty interesting

Pumped Dry: The global crises of vanishing groundwater:

https://youtu.be/RjsThobgq7Q
Thanks. Looks depressing....
It definitely was. I felt like it was a very well made documentary. It was mostly scientists and people directly affected speaking. Very little narration. I think that's why I resonated so well. Felt very much like it wasn't trying to drive a narrative but allowing the facts and experts to drive home the point themselves. Something like that.
For your debates:
"More than 99.9% of studies agree: Humans caused climate change: (Cornell Chronicle)
https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2021/1 ... ate-change

Of course, one never "wins" an argument with an AGW denier. If they were capable of honest, intelligent and rational thought they wouldn't be deniers in the first place. However, an authoritative citation like this one can sometimes get them to STFU and disappear, freeing up the forum you're in for adult discourse.
True. Oftentimes they'll find one contrarion study (usually using questionable data or methods) out of a thousand others that agree AGW is reality and say "see, it's not really happening".
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Whack9 wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:41 pm
Vrede too wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:28 pm
For your debates:
"More than 99.9% of studies agree: Humans caused climate change: (Cornell Chronicle)
https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2021/1 ... ate-change

Of course, one never "wins" an argument with an AGW denier. If they were capable of honest, intelligent and rational thought they wouldn't be deniers in the first place. However, an authoritative citation like this one can sometimes get them to STFU and disappear, freeing up the forum you're in for adult discourse.
True. Oftentimes they'll find one contrarian study (usually using questionable data or methods) out of a thousand others that agree AGW is reality and say "see, it's not really happening".
Yep, ignorant cherry-picking. Or, they'll attack modern science in general, beginning with likening themselves to Galileo, as if, and carrying through to citing hoaxes that got published under the delusion that they call into question the 99.9% consensus.
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Ummm, say what?

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Sat Oct 15, 2022 3:55 pm
Ummm, say what?

:( Did they die, move or go on strike for better residuals from reality TV?

NASA instrument detects dozens of methane super-emitters from space

An orbital NASA instrument designed mainly to advance studies of airborne dust and its effects on climate change has proven adept at another key Earth-science function - detecting large, worldwide emissions of methane, a potent greenhouse gas.

The device, called an imaging spectrometer, has identified more than 50 methane "super-emitters" in Central Asia, the Middle East and the Southwestern United States since it was installed in July aboard the International Space Station, NASA said on Tuesday.

The newly measured methane hotspots - some previously known and others just discovered - include sprawling oil and gas facilities and large landfills....

Two other large emitters were an oilfield in New Mexico, and a waste-processing complex in Iran, emitting nearly 60,000 pounds (29,000 kg) of methane per hour combined. JPL officials said neither were previously known to scientists....
:wtf: One more way that we're screwed. Ironic (or karmic?) that New Mexico had such devastating wildfires this year.
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This seems ripe for becoming a meme:
World on ‘Highway to Climate Hell’: UN Secretary General (1:56 video)

UN Secretary General António Guterres emphasizes the global urgency in fighting climate change by stating, “we are on a highway to climate hell with our foot still on the accelerator.” He spoke Monday at the COP27 summit in Egypt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l482T0yNkeo
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Finding safe haven in the climate change future: The Midwest

In late October, a report by the United Nations concluded that average global temperatures are on track to warm by 2.1 to 2.9 degrees Celsius by the year 2100. As a result, the world can expect a dramatic rise in chaotic, extreme weather events. In fact, that increase is already happening. In the 1980s, the U.S. was hit with a weather disaster totaling $1 billion in damages once every four months, on average. Thanks to steadily rising temperatures, they now occur every three weeks, according to a draft report of the latest National Climate Assessment, and they aren’t limited to any particular geographic region.
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... The Midwest

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MO and southern IL vote for AGW deniers, karma.
(lots of interesting and frightening detail about what's anticipated for the Midwest)

... In early August, Newton, Ill., was pounded with 14 inches of rain in just 12 hours, according to the National Weather Service. That qualified it as a so-called 1-in-1,000-year rain event, meaning a precipitation event that extreme has only a 0.1% chance of happening in any given year. The deluge would have seemed like more of an anomaly except for the fact that it was the third 1-in-1,000-year rain event — one in Illinois and one each in neighboring Kentucky and Missouri — in a single week....

A 2020 report by Notre Dame’s Pulte Institute for Global Development noted that “Indiana’s annual average temperature will rise 5 to 6°F by mid-century and as high as 6 to 10°F by late-century, depending on global efforts to reduce greenhouse emissions.”

For Hoosiers, that will mean an increase from seven days per year of temperatures exceeding 95°F at present to between 50 and 89 of them by the end of the century. That heat will, in turn, further decrease crop yields for corn and soybeans, potentially upending a way of life....
:( GoCubGo is as screwed as billy.pilgrim and southern O Really.
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Finding safe haven in the climate change future: The Pacific Northwest

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The catastrophic heat dome that descended over the Pacific Northwest during the summer of 2021 was unlike anything the region, which includes Washington, Oregon and Idaho, had experienced in living memory. It smashed temperature records by as much as 30 degrees Fahrenheit in some locations, left more than 1,000 people dead, and killed more than 1 billion sea creatures in the U.S. and Canada, transforming a region accustomed to mild summer weather into a kiln-like oven in which nighttime temperatures provided little relief.

Given the extremity of what was described as a 1-in-10,000-year heat event, it proved tempting for some who dismiss climate change as a “hoax” to discount the 2021 heat dome as a one-off, but then came the summer of 2022 and another deadly, albeit less severe, heat dome.

In late July, Portland, Ore., saw temperatures above 95°F for seven days straight, a new record. Seattle, where many residents don’t own an air conditioner, also set a new mark for enduring miserably warm weather, with more than six straight days of temperatures above 90°F. More than a dozen people in the region died from heat-related causes and dozens more were hospitalized.

For climate change deniers, hot summer temperatures are proof of nothing, even in regions unaccustomed to extreme heat. Less easy to discount, however, was what happened in autumn in the Pacific Northwest. On Oct. 16, Seattle broke its temperature record for that day by 16 degrees, hitting 88 degrees at a time of year when residents usually rely on sweaters and fleece to keep warm.

Portland hit 87°F on Oct. 15, one of seven high-temperature records set that month, and the city exceeded 80°F on 12 different days, double the previous record of six in the month of October.

The ratio of record-high temperatures to record-low ones is one of the clearest indicators that the planet is warming, and a 2009 study conducted by the National Center for Atmospheric Research found that new record-setting high temperatures were then outpacing new record-low temperatures by a ratio of 2:1. In the 13 years since that study was published, temperatures have continued to rise in places like the Pacific Northwest, and computer models have shown that that disparity will grow to 20:1 by 2050 and by 50:1 by 2100.
:shock: :(
For the Pacific Northwest, the warming climate has also been resulting in a “dramatic decline in spring snowpack,” the Environmental Protection Agency states on its website, falling by 23% across the Western U.S.

“In the Northwest (Idaho, Oregon, Washington), all but three stations saw decreases in snowpack over the period of record (1955 to 2022),” the EPA says on its website. By the year 2080, the Cascade mountain range is expected to see an 80% reduction in its April snowpack, according to the most recent National Climate Assessment from the U.S. government.

The declining snowpack is already negatively impacting agriculture in the Pacific Northwest, altering the growing cycle of plants, and proving ruinous for fish populations in rivers and streams throughout the region.

“16,000 miles of Oregon rivers and streams have degraded water quality due to warmer temperatures, resulting in the loss of hundreds of thousands of sockeye salmon in the Columbia and Snake river basins alone,” the Nature Conservancy wrote about the Climate Assessment data....

All of this is already happening across the Pacific Northwest even though the average temperature in the region rose by just 1.3°F between 1895 and 2011. But as we have continued to pump more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, the rate of temperature rise has also increased. By 2070, average temperatures are expected to rise by as much as 9.7°F, according to the Third National Climate Assessment....
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For anybody that's lived in Florida, several 95 degree days doesn't seem like that big of a deal. But to get an idea, imagine a Florida winter with a week of 20-degree weather. It's not just a matter of whether the residents are miserable, it's everything that's adapted and thrives in a certain range of temp and precipitation. Animals and people can adapt to different conditions, but it doesn't happen overnight. It takes about a year for a horse to adapt from living in Minnesota to living in Florida - people sometimes longer. People not accustomed to 95 degrees don't have the same bodily response as those who are adapted. And then there's fires. And dried up lakes. And no hay, no cows. Keeps getting worse.

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For anybody that's lived in Florida, several 95 degree days doesn't seem like that big of a deal. But to get an idea, imagine a Florida winter with a week of 20-degree weather. It's not just a matter of whether the residents are miserable, it's everything that's adapted and thrives in a certain range of temp and precipitation. Animals and people can adapt to different conditions, but it doesn't happen overnight. It takes about a year for a horse to adapt from living in Minnesota to living in Florida - people sometimes longer. People not accustomed to 95 degrees don't have the same bodily response as those who are adapted. And then there's fires. And dried up lakes. And no hay, no cows. Keeps getting worse.
I never had AC in MT, though I rarely used a swamp cooler. The summer nights were always cool and a sealed up house would retain the cool for most of the day. It might be different if I were there now or 10 years from now. :(
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So why do we have water and the rest of Southern California doesn't?
https://www.carlsbaddesal.com/
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Desalination plant - 50 million gallons per day

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