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Judge sides with young activists in first-of-its-kind climate change trial in Montana

A Montana judge on Monday sided with young environmental activists who said state agencies were violating their constitutional right to a clean and healthful environment by permitting fossil fuel development without considering its effect on the climate.

The ruling following a first-of-its- kind trial in the U.S. adds to a small number of legal decisions around the world that have established a government duty to protect citizens from climate change.

District Court Judge Kathy Seeley found the policy the state uses in evaluating requests for fossil fuel permits — which does not allow agencies to evaluate the effects of greenhouse gas emissions — is unconstitutional.

Judge Seeley wrote in the ruling that "Montana's emissions and climate change have been proven to be a substantial factor in causing climate impacts to Montana's environment and harm and injury" to the youth.
:thumbup: Go Montana Youth Go, but:
However, it's up to the state Legislature to determine how to bring the policy into compliance. That leaves slim chances for immediate change in a fossil fuel-friendly state where Republicans dominate the statehouse.
Opps. :puke-left: I guess the practical effect is uncertain. Anyhow:
... Emily Flower, spokesperson for Montana Attorney General Austin Knudsen, decried the ruling as "absurd" and said the office planned to appeal. She criticized Seeley for allowing the plaintiffs to put on what Flower called a "taxpayer-funded publicity stunt." ...
:obscene-birdiered: Ummm, why bother appealing if it's just a "stunt"? Sounds like they're worried about real policy implications.
... But Seeley said the state's attorneys failed to give a compelling reason for why they were not evaluating greenhouse gas impacts. She rejected the notion that Montana's greenhouse gas emissions are insignificant and noted that renewable power is "technically feasible and economically beneficial," citing testimony from the trial indicating Montana could replace 80% of existing fossil fuel energy by 2030.

"Every additional ton of GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions exacerbates plaintiffs' injuries and risks locking in irreversible climate injuries," she wrote.
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... This spring, carbon dioxide levels in the air reached the highest levels they've been in over 4 million years, the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration said earlier this month.

Greenhouse gas emissions also reached a record high last year, according to the International Energy Agency.

July was the hottest month on record globally and likely the warmest that human civilization has seen, according to scientists.
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Unintended consequences:
Track and field's future uncertain due to climate change, Coe says

Athletics have an uncertain future in the face of the changing climate, with the sport's president, Sebastian Coe, warning Friday that athletes are already suffering.

Nearly 80% of athletes surveyed by World Athletics said they are seriously concerned about the climate crisis and some 75% said their competition or training has already been affected, Coe said on the eve of the world championships.

In a summer that has seen wildfires raging, record high temperatures across southern Europe and relentless flooding in Asia, the World Athletics president said sports federations cannot rely on governments to avert the climate crisis.

"Constituent groups like sport are going to have to figure this out for themselves," Coe said, "because I don't think we can rely on governments to remotely get to grips with what is going to be a massive shift in reality in the next few years."
Thanks a lot, governments. :roll:
Many top-level events have been affected by high heat in recent years. The Tokyo Olympics marathon and race-walking events were moved 500 miles north to Sapporo to avoid a repeat of the 2019 world championships in Doha, where numerous athletes succumbed to the heat and dropped out of distance events. Rising temperatures forced the 10,000 meters to be rescheduled at the Olympic trials in Eugene, Oregon, in 2021....
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NASA scientist issues grim warning 35 years after his original prediction: ‘[W]e knew it was coming’

We preserved the Union in 4 years.
We defeated Hitler and Tojo in 4 years.
We reached the moon in 8 years.
We developed a safe and effective Covid-19 vaccine in 11 months, and delivered it widely in the US within another 6 months.
We evicted TRE45QN after 4 years.

Imagine what we could have accomplished in 35 years. :( :angry-banghead:

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Vrede too wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:21 am
NASA scientist issues grim warning 35 years after his original prediction: ‘[W]e knew it was coming’

We preserved the Union in 4 years.
We defeated Hitler and Tojo in 4 years.
We reached the moon in 8 years.
We developed a safe and effective Covid-19 vaccine in 11 months, and delivered it widely in the US within another 6 months.
We evicted TRE45QN after 4 years.

Imagine what we could have accomplished in 35 years. :( :angry-banghead:
His date is off by 8 years. 88 may be correct regarding prediction of warming of the planet, but it was 8 years earlier that we "decided" that alternative energy sources were for kooky tree huggers and tripped out hippies.
Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”

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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:35 am
His date is off by 8 years. 88 may be correct regarding prediction of warming of the planet, but it was 8 years earlier that we "decided" that alternative energy sources were for kooky tree huggers and tripped out hippies.
Reagan removed Carter's solar collectors from the WH roof.

Fox News Actually Asked GOP Candidates About Climate Change — And It Didn’t Go Well
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis immediately punted, and the other seven candidates followed suit.


:roll: :( :puke-left: :obscene-birdiered:
... Meanwhile, Biden’s team answered Fox News’ simplistic question more succinctly than any of the Republicans onstage:

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China, too:
China’s summer of climate destruction

... At least 81 people have been killed in the recent floods, including some trying to rescue others.

But the economic pain has been much wider, in a country already struggling to recover following three years of strict coronavirus control measures.

And, if the government wants to measure the immediate cost of not addressing climate change urgently, it need look no further than its own statistics.

In a little over a decade, the number of floods being recorded in the country has increased tenfold.

In the summer of 2011, there were six to eight monthly floods listed in China. Last year, more than 130 were recorded in July and 82 in August....
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Climate Change-Denying Republican Lawmaker Comes ‘So Close’ To Figuring It Out On Fox
Congressman Barry Loudermilk made the case for global warming without realizing it.


MSNBC’s Chris Hayes on Tuesday was among those who mocked Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-Ga.) for his latest dismissal of climate change, saying the GOP lawmaker came “so close to figuring it out.”

(EmptyG-adjacent) Loudermilk, talking with Fox Business’ Stuart Varney about incoming Hurricane Idalia, lamented how global warming had (usually correctly) become the go-to explanation for extreme weather events....



... On its website, the Environmental Protection Agency notes how “cyclone intensity has risen noticeably over the past 20 years.”

“Climate change is expected to affect tropical cyclones by increasing sea surface temperatures, a key factor that influences cyclone formation and behavior,” it adds.

NASA, meanwhile, predicts that “due to global warming” hurricanes “will likely cause more intense rainfall and have an an increased coastal flood risk due to higher storm surge caused by rising seas.”

“The global frequency of storms may decrease or remain unchanged, but hurricanes that form are more likely to become intense,” it adds.
Bravo, unintentional Barry, bravo.

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If only there had been somebody paying attention 40 years ago and warned us of the dangers of climate change. Oh wait.
“Temperature increases are likely to be accompanied by dramatic changes in precipitation and storm patterns and a rise in global average sea level,” wrote the authors of a report titled “Can We Delay a Greenhouse Warming?” which was released 40 years ago this month. “As a result, agricultural conditions will be significantly altered, environmental and economic systems potentially disrupted, and political institutions stressed.”
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If only there had been somebody paying attention 40 years ago and warned us of the dangers of climate change. Oh wait.
“Temperature increases are likely to be accompanied by dramatic changes in precipitation and storm patterns and a rise in global average sea level,” wrote the authors of a report titled “Can We Delay a Greenhouse Warming?” which was released 40 years ago this month. “As a result, agricultural conditions will be significantly altered, environmental and economic systems potentially disrupted, and political institutions stressed.”
https://themessenger.com/tech/forty-yea ... redictions
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... The 1983 publication was not the first government report on climate change. Just two years earlier, the President’s Council on Environmental Quality warned about “substantial economic, social, and environmental disruptions,” and a report to President Lyndon Johnson in 1965 concluded that “climatic changes that may be produced by the increased [carbon dioxide] content could be deleterious from the point of view of human beings.” ...
1965!

Great minds . . .
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AGW, what AGW?

Massachusetts city got nearly 10 inches of rain in 6 hours, flooding homes and eroding dams (with videos)
US hit by record number of billion-dollar disasters so far this year

Between January and August, the United States was struck by a record-breaking 23 weather and climate disasters where losses exceeded $1 billion in each case, official data showed Monday.

The tally for 2023 has already exceeded the previous record of 22 such events in 2020, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said, and four months still remain in the year.

These disasters included fires in Hawaii in August, flooding in California in the spring, and Hurricane Idalia that made landfall in Florida on August 30.

Together, they "caused 253 direct and indirect fatalities and produced more than $57.6 billion in damages," NOAA said. Two more potential billion-dollar events—Tropical Storm Hilary on the West Coast, and the drought affecting the South and Midwest—remain under investigation.
I blame Joe's inflation and Hunter being corrupted by China.
Rachel Cleetus, policy director with the climate and energy program at the Union of Concerned Scientists, said, "These record-breaking numbers, during a year that is on track to be one of the hottest ever, are sobering and the latest confirmation of a worsening trend in costly disasters, many of which bear the undeniable fingerprints of climate change."

Since 1980, the year NOAA began tracking these events, the United States has sustained 371 billion-dollar events, adjusted for inflation.

Between 2018-2022, the annual average has been 18.0 events, compared to 8.1 events between 1980-2022.

2023 is likely to be the hottest year in human history, and global temperatures during the Northern Hemisphere summer were the warmest on record, the European Union climate monitor said last week.

Though 2023 has had the highest number of billion-dollar disasters, it's still behind other years in terms of total economic damages.

Hurricane Ian, which struck Florida in September 2022, caused 152 deaths and losses worth $112.9 billion.

The costliest year was 2017, with $383.7 billion damages adjusted for inflation. The bulk of that damage came from Hurricanes Harvey, Irma and Maria, which struck in quick succession.
Skeptics are idiots, dangerous idiots.
Eight catastrophic floods in 11 days: What’s behind intense rainfall around the world?

The catastrophic flooding in Libya that is feared to have left as many as 10,000 people dead is just the latest in a string of intense rain events to hammer various parts of the globe over the past two weeks.

In the first 11 days of September, eight devastating flooding events have unfolded on four continents. Before Mediterranean storm Daniel sent floodwaters surging through eastern Libya, severe rain inundated parts of central Greece, northwestern Turkey, southern Brazil, central and coastal Spain, southern China, Hong Kong and the southwestern U.S....
Northeastern U.S. makes it 9 in 12 days.

Then, there's Hurricane Idalia. Maybe they're not counting it because it made landfall on Aug 30. If so, 10 in 14 days. Or maybe it doesn't make the list because much of the damage was storm surge rather than "rainfall". Or maybe its flooding was not "catastrophic" enough.

Poor Libya :cry: and the others.

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A damaged road after a powerful storm and heavy rainfall hit Shahhat, Libya, on Sept. 11, 2023.

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Damn windmills.
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Damn windmills.
Bastards.

TV news on Libya: 23 foot tall wall of water swept through Derna, 11K+ confirmed dead. :cry:

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How Megafires Are Remaking the World

... This incendiary age, which some scientists have called the Pyrocene, could lead to “a wholesale conversion of what habitats are where on the planet,” Hodges said. “Right now, everybody is talking about fires and smoke and who dies, because of the immediacy of this fire year. But really, truly, the long-term consequences are much more severe and sustained.”

... But in many regions and ecosystems, fires are becoming larger and more severe. In the United States, wildfires burn far more land today than they did three decades ago, especially in Western states. Globally, the risk of catastrophic fires could increase by more than 50% by the end of the century, the United Nations reported.

Climate change is partly to blame, scientists said, but so are other factors, such as the expansion of highly flammable invasive grasses, which helped the deadly fires in Maui spread so quickly. More than a century of fire suppression has also left some forests thick with trees, giving flames more fuel. “When fires burn, they burn with so much intensity,” said Chris French, a deputy chief of the National Forest System in the United States....

Fires are also spreading into ecosystems where flames are an unfamiliar threat. The megafires that erupted in Australia in 2019 and 2020 scorched the country’s rainforests, which contained many plants that cannot regenerate after burning.

The animals in those ecosystems might be “fire naive,” said Dale Nimmo, an ecologist at Charles Sturt University in Australia. “They may not have been under any natural selection to detect the subtle cues of fire in the air, or through sound. And so they may not recognize the threat as it approaches.” ...
"This incendiary age, which some scientists have called the Pyrocene ..."

Crap. :(

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NOAA winter 2023-2024 forecast: Here's where it's expected to be unusually warm this year

"Leaning above" normal temp here:

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No place in the nation is "Leaning or Likely below" normal :angry-banghead:

We're "Leaning above" normal precip here:

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Good, we're at a 9+ inch deficit for 2023.

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GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:53 am
Damn windmills.
Damn carports. Valencia, California, 35 miles (56 km) northwest of downtown Los Angeles:
Six Flags Magic Mountain announces groundbreaking of California’s largest solar energy project

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A rendering of the new 637,000 square foot, 12.37-megawatt solar carport and energy storage system at Six Flags Magic Mountain.

... The Six Flags Magic Mountain project is the third overall Six Flags solar installation; other properties with similar installations include Six Flags Discovery Kingdom in Vallejo and Six Flags Great Adventure in Jackson, New Jersey.

The three sites will rank as the largest volume of on-site solar systems for any United States-based organization, with a combined total of 42.37 megawatts.

For more information on the project, visit www.sixflags.com
Laudable, but too little too late?
Global heating is accelerating, warns scientist who sounded climate alarm in the 80s

Global heating is accelerating faster than is currently understood and will result in a key temperature threshold being breached as soon as this decade, according to research led by James Hansen, the US scientist who first alerted the world to the greenhouse effect.

The Earth’s climate is more sensitive to human-caused changes than scientists have realized until now, meaning that a “dangerous” burst of heating will be unleashed that will push the world to be 1.5C hotter than it was, on average, in pre-industrial times within the 2020s and 2C hotter by 2050, the paper published on Thursday predicts....

This year is almost certain to be the hottest ever reliably recorded, with temperatures in September described as “gobsmackingly bananas” by one climate researcher. A report this week found that the carbon budget to limit the world to 1.5C of heating is now nearly exhausted due to the continued burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.

(discussion of scientists who disagree with Hansen)

... Some other researchers are less skeptical of Hansen’s dire warning of supercharged global heating, highlighting his previous prescient warnings about the climate crisis that have largely played out due to decades of inaction to stem the use of fossil fuels.

“I think [Hansen’s] contention that the IPCC has underestimated climate sensitivity somewhat will prove to be correct,” said Rob Jackson, a Stanford University scientist and chair of the Global Carbon Project. “It’s hard to know what’s unlikely any more in terms of warming. No fossil fuel has declined in use yet globally, not even coal.

“I think Hansen’s pessimism is warranted. He stood up 35 years ago and sounded the alarm – and the world mostly ignored him, and all of us.”
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We've been watching a couple of series on earth development, some Nova and Netflix "Life on our Planet". It brings some credibility to the deniers who say "it's just a normal cycle" because there have indeed been widely swinging cycles in the past 500 million years. But then you get to the part where humans arrived, like a few minutes ago in geological time, and look at the planetary changes since then. And then you hear that humans have created (caused) 20,000 years of change in 170 years. And then you consider what has happened to all the former critters that "ruled the earth" for a while. They're all gone.

It's good to be old.

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O Really wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:01 am
We've been watching a couple of series on earth development, some Nova and Netflix "Life on our Planet". It brings some credibility to the deniers who say "it's just a normal cycle" because there have indeed been widely swinging cycles in the past 500 million years. But then you get to the part where humans arrived, like a few minutes ago in geological time, and look at the planetary changes since then. And then you hear that humans have created (caused) 20,000 years of change in 170 years. And then you consider what has happened to all the former critters that "ruled the earth" for a while. They're all gone.

It's good to be old.
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"marine heat wave" is a new phrase to me.
Scientists sound the alarm over a concerning phenomenon observed in the ocean: ‘This is worrying news’

... The oceanic heat wave is hitting both sides of North America. Waters off the coast of Florida and the western coasts of the U.S. and Canada are alarmingly warm. The Western Mediterranean, off the coasts of Southern Spain and North Africa, is also warmer than average. The same can be said for the Baltic Sea and the water around New Zealand and Australia.

A recent report showed that the number of these heat waves in ocean waters doubled between 1982 and 2016, noted the BBC, and the heat waves have also worsened considerably....
Crap.

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Red hot October almost guarantees 2023 will be the hottest year on record

This October was the hottest on record globally, 1.7 degrees Celsius (3.1 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than the pre-industrial average for the month — and the fifth straight month with such a mark in what will now almost certainly be the warmest year ever recorded.

October was a whopping 0.4 degrees Celsius (0.7 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than the previous record for the month in 2019, surprising even Samantha Burgess, deputy director of the Copernicus Climate Change Service, the European climate agency that routinely publishes monthly bulletins observing global surface air and sea temperatures, among other data.

“The amount that we’re smashing records by is shocking,” Burgess said....
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