neoplacebo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:29 amOk, thanks. Funny that you'd bring this up since just yesterday I watched "The FBI Files" on some crime tv channel and it was the story of the three civil rights workers murdered by members of the Klan in Philadelphia, MS back in 64, They charged some of the Klan members as well as the sheriff and chief deputy, who notified the Klan members that they'd just released the three from custody around 10:30 that night. All three were taken out and shot; Chaney, the black guy, was shot three times; the two white guys were shot once. All three were buried in an earthen dam being constructed. After the bodies were found (some of the Klan members informed on the others) it was noted that one of them had a wad of some small substance in his clenched fist. It was just a glob of the clay soil that he was buried in. So they think that this one was still alive when buried.billy.pilgrim wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 12:47 amIf you got the impression from me, it would have been my mistake. Sorry. Your response was great. It gave me the opportunity to further explain. None of us can know too much about our history.neoplacebo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:42 pmI didn't mean to disparage or denigrate your personal experience after visiting a museum; I just got the impression that you'd not really been too cognizant of the prevalence of that sort of thing and the tolerance of it. Sorry if I wasn't clear.billy.pilgrim wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:12 pmI have been very aware. My point was more that there's no one here who wouldn't be overwhelmed by how much more there is.neoplacebo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:26 am
You've mentioned in the past that you're from, or spent time, in TN and you're living in FL now. I assume you've been in the south most of your life. I find it surprising that you seem to have not been aware of the extent of lynchings and other murder of blacks in the south. I realize they didn't teach about it in public schools, but the fact is that lynchings were not at all uncommon up until the 1950's. Typically, lynchings were attended by many spectators; you could say some of them drew crowds,,,,,many of the jurors who acquitted the perpetrators were present in those crowds. After the mid fifties or so, the rednecks and the Klan became more covert with their murders. And even then, the local (white) authorities would seldom convict the killers. Go back and watch the "Mississippi Burning" movie again.
I knew Anderson before I visited
I knew Dachau before I visited
But I was still overwhelmed when I went there.
There's a sacredness at the actual place or at a memorial that isn't as forceful in the history books, or even in historical fiction.
Yeah, if you are in Montgomery, go be amazed at how much more you can know and feel about the plight of people who lived in a state of constant confrontation with the hatred and bigotry of power and law.
Oh, and I left the Tennessee family farm for central Alabama in the summer before the 2nd grade. I grew up in Auburn, Alabama.
The sheriff's name was Rainey and the chief deputy was Cecil Price. This was the true story that the movie was about.
The all white juries refused to convict any of them. So then the feds went after them for civil rights violations.
I was14 then and 13 when the KKK blew up those 4 little girls in Birmingham, aka Bombingham.
The four girls killed in the bombing were Addie Mae Collins (14), Cynthia Wesley (14), Carole Robertson (14), and Carol Denise McNair (11).
The kkk often made bomb threats at this church and others to disrupt services, this time it was real.
I imagine there were many young kids like me who saw the wrongness of racism because of these events in Alabama and Mississippi. As we defined ourselves as committed against racism
Wikipedia
"Described by Martin Luther King Jr. as "one of the most vicious and tragic crimes ever perpetrated against humanity,"[5] the explosion at the church killed four girls and injured between 14 and 22 other people."
Dates mostly from Wikipedia
Although the FBI had concluded in 1965 that the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing had been committed by four known Klansmen and segregationists: Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr., Herman Frank Cash, Robert Edward Chambliss, and Bobby Frank Cherry, j.edgar shut down the investigations and sealed the findings.
Chambliss was finally tried and convicted of the first-degree murder of one of the victims in 1977
Blanton Jr. and Cherry were each convicted of four counts of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment in 2001 and 2002
The man who should have been tapped by Biden as our AG, Doug Jones, prosecuted and convicted Blanton and Cherry in Alabama.
At least there was this:
Wikipedia
"The 16th Street Baptist Church bombing marked a turning point in the United States during the civil rights movement and also contributed to support for the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by Congress.[8]"
I became aware in the mid sixties. Damn, could I have been Woke?