You Must Be Racist To Be Liberal.

[PeacefulPartier]

Let's face it. Liberalism is the biggest threat to minorities today.

1. Liberalism lead to the deaths of millions of minorities through the support and promotion of abortion.
2. Schools in states run by Democrats are worse (https://www.newsweek.com/2011s-best-ame ... list-67905)
3. Unemployment of blacks under Replublicans were all time lows of 5.2 under Nixon, 9.1 under Reagan (after hitting a high of 21% under Carter), 6.9% under Clinton (the only Democrat to do well but he did have a Republican congress) and 5.1% under Trump. The worst were 12.5% under Ford, 13.7% under Bush the first (with a Democratic congress), and 17.9% under Obama. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000031
4. The KKK was created by the Democratic party
5. The current "liberal" presidential candidate implied that it is rare to find a clean, articulate and main stream african american. He also thinks you have to be from India to work in a 7/11.

Ergo...you have to racist to be a liberal.

[Vrede too]

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[neoplacebo]

Let's face it.

Ok.

[O Really]

C'mon, PP - you can do better than that. For starters, your link to the education ranking had no list. But since you don't have one, here's one for you.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... /education Short version: "Massachusetts is the top state for education. It’s followed by New Jersey, Florida, Washington and New Hampshire to round out the top five. Seven of the 10 states with the best education systems also rank among the top 10 Best States overall."

So I don't give a lot of credibility to the rest of your list, but #4 is just too laughable to pass up. Sure, they were Democrats in name, but they're the ones who became Republicans after the Civil Rights Act passed. Party names and demographics change over time, y'know.

Try again, with covid restrictions surely you have time to dig up better ummmm, "facts."

[Vrede too]

I'm not bothering to open up PP's post, but her/his lousy education no doubt led you to respond with:

... So I don't give a lot of credibility to the rest of your list, but #4 is just too laughable to pass up. Sure, they were Democrats in name, but they're the ones who became Republicans after the Civil Rights Act passed. Party names and demographics change over time, y'know.

Try again, with covid restrictions surely you have time to dig up better ummmm, "facts."

It was already underway before that. The 1964 Civil Rights Act vote was more regional than partisan. In fact, Southern Democrats were MORE likely to vote FOR the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than Southern Republicans, and Northern Democrats were MORE likely to vote for it than Northern Republicans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rig ... and_region
As you say, the ideological heirs of the racist southern Dems have been Repugs for 50+ years. People like PP that claim otherwise reek of hyper-partisan desperation.

[O Really]

PP's link actually purported to list the best individual high schools, which is different from mine in which I showed the data he had claimed, but did not provide. Anyway, having a few excellent individual schools isn't much of an indication of an overall good or bad state system. But here is what he thought he was listing, more recent than his 2011, and with an actual list.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-h ... l-rankings

[Vrede too]

PP's link actually purported to list the best individual high schools, which is different from mine in which I showed the data he had claimed, but did not provide. Anyway, having a few excellent individual schools isn't much of an indication of an overall good or bad state system. But here is what he thought he was listing, more recent than his 2011, and with an actual list.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-h ... l-rankings

Yeah, seems pretty silly to me. Rich districts will always have one or more high quality schools. As you posted earlier, the better gauge of successful governance is the overall state quality of education. Here's an article with 4 different rankings:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... education/
Notice the dominance of blue states, then purple ones, then red states in last.

[O Really]

Rich districts will always have one or more high quality schools.

And a lot of the best ones are magnets, not necessarily in good neighborhoods, but getting only the best specialty students. Stanton in Jacksonville FL is consistently listed among the top schools, but it's located in a slumish area in a county with generally crappy school system.

[billy.pilgrim]

Rich districts will always have one or more high quality schools.

And a lot of the best ones are magnets, not necessarily in good neighborhoods, but getting only the best specialty students. Stanton in Jacksonville FL is consistently listed among the top schools, but it's located in a slumish area in a county with generally crappy school system.

Did either of you click the link at #2 Schools in states run by Democrats are worse

I'm not seeing anything about which schools are best.

[O Really]

Did either of you click the link at #2 Schools in states run by Democrats are worse

I'm not seeing anything about which schools are best.

I clicked. It was an article from 2011, but the actual list wasn't there.

But here's one:
https://www.parents.com/kids/education/ ... tion-2019/

Short version:

Texas
Arizona
Arkansas
Alabama
Mississippi
Oklahoma
West Virginia
Louisiana
Nevada
New Mexico

Yeppers, dem Dems have certainly screwed up.

[billy.pilgrim]

Did either of you click the link at #2 Schools in states run by Democrats are worse

I'm not seeing anything about which schools are best.

I clicked. It was an article from 2011, but the actual list wasn't there.

But here's one:
https://www.parents.com/kids/education/ ... tion-2019/

Short version:

Texas
Arizona
Arkansas
Alabama
Mississippi
Oklahoma
West Virginia
Louisiana
Nevada
New Mexico

Yeppers, dem Dems have certainly screwed up.

I guess that why he lied about the link

[Vrede too]

And a lot of the best ones are magnets, not necessarily in good neighborhoods, but getting only the best specialty students. Stanton in Jacksonville FL is consistently listed among the top schools, but it's located in a slumish area in a county with generally crappy school system.

Good point. They in effect concentrate wealth the same way that rich districts have a higher concentration of wealth within a state.

Did either of you click the link at #2 Schools in states run by Democrats are worse

I'm not seeing anything about which schools are best.

I have not opened PP's post. In the link I posted most of the worst school systems are in Repug states, while most of the best school systems are in Dem states.

[neoplacebo]

I am struck by the hit and run nature of the posts peaceful partier makes. A (often as not) dubious claim is presented as fact but once that claim is shown to be otherwise, there is no defense or support of the original post from him. I will call it "PARTIERGATE" and pronounce it a perfect post. Many people say the post is the greatest they've ever seen. I will tell you.

[PeacefulPartier]

C'mon, PP - you can do better than that. For starters, your link to the education ranking had no list. But since you don't have one, here's one for you.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... /education Short version: "Massachusetts is the top state for education. It’s followed by New Jersey, Florida, Washington and New Hampshire to round out the top five. Seven of the 10 states with the best education systems also rank among the top 10 Best States overall."

So I don't give a lot of credibility to the rest of your list, but #4 is just too laughable to pass up. Sure, they were Democrats in name, but they're the ones who became Republicans after the Civil Rights Act passed. Party names and demographics change over time, y'know.

Try again, with covid restrictions surely you have time to dig up better ummmm, "facts."

You want a ranking list? Here are the 20 worst school districts:

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/blog/ ... st-schools

Rank/School/City/Mayor Part Affiliation and duration
20 MICHAEL R. WHITE CLEVELAND, OH – Mayor has been D since 1990
19 FRANKLIN BENJAMIN HS PHILADELPHIA, PA – Mayor has been D since 1952
18 STUART SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE ACADEMY LOUISVILLE, KY – Mayor has been D since 1969
17 KENSINGTON CREATIVE & PERFORMING ARTS HS PHILADELPHIA, PA
16 BARTRAM JOHN – MAIN PHILADELPHIA, PA – Mayor has been D since 1952
15 FANNING MIDDLE COMMUNITY ED. ST LOUIS, MO– Mayor has been a D since 1949
14 YEATMAN-LIDDELL MIDDLE SCHOOL ST LOUIS, MO– Mayor has been a D since 1949
13 CONFLUENCE PREPARATORY ACADEMY ST LOUIS, MO – Mayor has been a D since 1949
12 BYCK ELEMENTARY LOUISVILLE, KY – Mayor has been D since 1969
11 ROXBOROUGH HS PHILADELPHIA, PA – Mayor has been D since 1952
10 KING MARTIN LUTHER HS PHILADELPHIA, PA – Mayor has been D since 1952
9 SAYRE WILLIAM L MS PHILADELPHIA, PA - Mayor has been D since 1952
8 OVERBROOK HS PHILADELPHIA, PA – Mayor has been D since 1952
7 CHESTER HS CHESTER, PA – Mayor has been D since 2012
6 HOMER HIGH SCHOOL HOMER, LA – Mayor has been D since 2014
5 WHEATLEY ELEMENTARY LOUISVILLE, KY – Mayor has been D since 1969
4 FRAYSER ELEMENTARY LOUISVILLE, KY – Mayor has been D since 1969
3 VISION ACADEMY MONROE, LA – Mayor has been D since 1979 and beyond (minus one year)
2 ROOSEVELT PERRY ELEMENTARY LOUISVILLE, KY – Mayor has been D since 1969
1 MAUPIN ELEMENTARY LOUISVILLE, KY – Mayor has been D since 1969

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... ,_Kentucky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer,_Louisiana
https://ouachitaparishhistory.com/2018/ ... monroe-la/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... nnsylvania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... iladelphia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor_of_St._Louis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... _Cleveland

I stopped at 20 because that was enough to prove my point. The local officials have the greatest impact. If you don't believe me, sit on a school board for a year. It's eye opening. Democrats are destroying education and they do it in districts that have predominately minority citizens.

[GoCubsGo]

Nice that you can micro pick some towns in Republican states.
Why don't you try macro picking some states? That's where the real numbers lay.

[O Really]

Nice that you can micro pick some towns in Republican states.
Why don't you try macro picking some states? That's where the real numbers lay.

Summary: Economically and societally depressed neighbourhoods tend to have schools that perform poorly when compared with the standards applcable to schools in more affluent areas. Nobody's going to argue against that, PP. Try again.

[Vrede too]

Nice that you can micro pick some towns in Republican states.
Why don't you try macro picking some states? That's where the real numbers lay.

Summary: Economically and societally depressed neighbourhoods tend to have schools that perform poorly when compared with the standards applicable to schools in more affluent areas. Nobody's going to argue against that, PP. Try again.

Go easy on PP, s/he was "educated" in a Repug state. Apples and oranges are hard.

[O Really]

Nice that you can micro pick some towns in Republican states.
Why don't you try macro picking some states? That's where the real numbers lay.

Summary: Economically and societally depressed neighbourhoods tend to have schools that perform poorly when compared with the standards applicable to schools in more affluent areas. Nobody's going to argue against that, PP. Try again.

Go easy on PP, s/he was "educated" in a Repug state. Apples and oranges are hard.

Yeah, PP seems to think that mayors run or appoint the school boards.
And yes, I know - some boards are appointed.

[O Really]

Interesting story about the (#1) Cleveland system. Turns out the mayor was given responsibility for the school system in 2005 after many years of ineffective work from the elected board.

Here's what happened:

The district has seen the graduation rate improve 22.4 percent since 2010.[7] The 4-year graduation rate for students who entered the 9th grade in 2014 and graduated by 2017 was 74.6 percent.[15] The 5-year graduation rate for students who entered the 9th grade in 2013 and graduated by 2017 was 79.6 percent.[15] CMSD reports that the 4-year graduation rate for the class of 2018 was 74.6 percent.[7]

The school "CEO" (appointed by the mayor):

In 2013, Board Chair Denise L. Link won the Green-Garner "Top Urban Educator" Award, the highest honor given by the Council of the Great City Schools for significant contributions to urban schools and students.[19] CEO Eric Gordon was a national finalist for the same award in 2012. In 2016, Eric Gordon won the "Urban Educator of the Year Award from the Council of Great City Schools.[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland ... l_District

[PeacefulPartier]

Since you guys are in denial and I love to watch you twist in the wind, here are more stats that show the institutional racism in democratic states:

I found this article that ranked states by their economic equality - Wallethub.com . So I did some statistical analysis to see how it worked out. Using Wikipedia.org to determine what states are red and what states are blue, I separated the states (DC was included) and then averaged their scores.

This first comparison was all 50 states and DC averaged. Purple states were included in red states.
Average Blue Rating: 62.97
Average Red Rating: 66.08

But I wondered what would happen if you eliminated purple states:
Average Blue Rating: 62.97
Average Red Rating: 66.90

Ok, but what if we drop the leans blue and leans red:
Average Blue Rating: 62.67
Average Red Rating: 67.22

It turns out the more conservative a state is, the more equal the races become economically and the more liberal a state is the more unequal the races become.