2024 Elections

[Supsalemgr]

I personally prefer Tim Scott since I know him from our professional days. He is a real and sincere person. I think he would be the democrats worse nightmare as he would really eat into the Black vote. I do believe Trump will be hard to overtake, especially with all the "wanna be's" joining the campaign.

Personal experience is a valid reason for support. I've agreed with you for months on TRE45QN's odds of winning the nomination. I have not considered Tim Scott seriously.

Trump's growing GOP challengers revive fears of 2016 repeat

Good, an Rx for losing in the general. I say this with some slight trepidation that we may have a tiny chance of getting Dolt .45.2.

Nikki Haley - TRE45QN stained, plus no way the modern GQP nominates a woman or a non-White.
Fascist DerSantis - Peaking too soon, too much right wingnuttery to win the general, TRE45QN stained....

Larry Elder's Presidential Announcement Sparks Avalanche of Jokes, Memes

... "Black community: nothing could be worse than [South Carolina Republican Senator] Tim Scott," wrote another Twitter user. "Larry Elder: hold my beer."

... "Maybe he just enjoys losing," commented another one in one of many tweets mentioning Elder's loss to Newsom in 2021....

Oh no, he and Tim Scott will split the Black RepuQ vote.

One more nail in Fascist DerSantis' coffin. Multi-candidates only help TRE45QN.

... It also means no ma'am to Noem.

More on Scott, he's got a sugar daddy:
viewtopic.php?p=184652#p184652

Uncle Tom Scott (R-SC) apparently thinks that the party that has made racism and black/brown bashing a cornerstone of their ummm "platforms" is really going to give him the nomination for President? In what alternative world is this even tabloid fodder?

He'd be dangerous as a VP nominee, though. Is that his goal?

Apparently a person can't just file to run for VP.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1659582821248188417

Not technically.

Let's Revisit How Unhinged Tim Scott Is Now That He's Running for President
South Carolina's Republican senator announced at 30 years old that he was a proud virgin and has said Democrats want to legalize the abortion of 3-month-olds.

My gut tells me Tim is actually looking at VP. He would be a good running mate and if we listen to him he does not burn bridges and that will appeal to any nominee.

[Vrede too]

Personal experience is a valid reason for support. I've agreed with you for months on TRE45QN's odds of winning the nomination....

He'd (Scott) be dangerous as a VP nominee, though. Is that his goal?

My gut tells me Tim is actually looking at VP. He would be a good running mate and if we listen to him he does not burn bridges and that will appeal to any nominee.

3 separate areas of agreement in one exchange??? Dang, one or both of us has changed.

[billy.pilgrim]

Personal experience is a valid reason for support. I've agreed with you for months on TRE45QN's odds of winning the nomination....

He'd (Scott) be dangerous as a VP nominee, though. Is that his goal?

My gut tells me Tim is actually looking at VP. He would be a good running mate and if we listen to him he does not burn bridges and that will appeal to any nominee.

3 separate areas of agreement in one exchange??? Dang, one or both of us has changed.

Way too much past idiocy to imagine he has changed. He 100% corporate socialist.

[GoCubsGo]

No recent update on Solar. He is still receiving treatment.

I do not think it is laughable Tim would not get some Black votes which normally go for the democrat. I do not believe it would be a large amount, but it would not take much.

Ok, that's a bit of a different statement than what you said earlier. I'll revise also and say no numbers of significance.

I think he would be the democrats worse nightmare as he would really eat into the Black vote.

Don't know if you receive PM''s.
Did you mean to report a post earlier or did you hit the wrong icon?

[Supsalemgr]

Personal experience is a valid reason for support. I've agreed with you for months on TRE45QN's odds of winning the nomination....

He'd (Scott) be dangerous as a VP nominee, though. Is that his goal?

My gut tells me Tim is actually looking at VP. He would be a good running mate and if we listen to him he does not burn bridges and that will appeal to any nominee.

3 separate areas of agreement in one exchange??? Dang, one or both of us has changed.

Way too much past idiocy to imagine he has changed. He 100% corporate socialist.

Can you define "corporate socialist"?

[O Really]

Scott hasn't generally received much of the SC Black vote, and there's no real reason to think he'll do better in '24. For one thing, he doesn't represent Black SC voters, nor generally addresses issues of highest priority to most Black voters. Originally he was a Tea Partier. He opposed the Affordable Care Act and immigration reform, called for a flat tax, and wanted a balance budget amendment be added to the Constitution. He has pretty much towed the (White) Republican line in all his voting history. Generally, Black Americans tend to hold more liberal views on government and are inclined to support Democrats, even if Republicans have a black candidate. Hard to imagine what would have to happen for Scott to ever win a substantial number of black voters.

On the other angle, Scott has a problem with White Republicans because he's ummm, Black. There are undoubtedly some Republicans who would support a Black guy, but they would be a definite minority. For example, how many "birthers" have become enlightened enough to vote for a Black guy? How many Republicans would have happily supported the Republican-designed ACA and not derided it as "Obama-care" if Obama had not been Blackish or named "Barack."?

But yeah, maybe he's trying for a VP spot. And that begs the question, which of the leading or likely nominees would take him?

[O Really]

Can you define "corporate socialist"?

Corporate socialism is an economic system in which the government gives corporations special advantages that allows them to keep their profits while sharing losses with workers and the general population.

The result is that assets are transferred from workers to corporations. This is the exact opposite of democratic socialism, in which wealth is taken from private businesses and distributed to workers.

https://theimpactinvestor.com/corporate-socialism/

[GoCubsGo]

Can you define "corporate socialist"?

You mean like wealth taken from the citizenry and redistributed amongst the corporations?

[GoCubsGo]

But yeah, maybe he's trying for a VP spot. And that begs the question, which of the leading or likely nominees would take him?

Afaik, at this point he hasn't done anything to offend anybody the other candidates.

As trump is favored, that's who he's probably playing to and being black for the second slot probably has a certain appeal to a partially racist constituency to say "see, we're not racist."

[Vrede too]

... But yeah, maybe he's trying for a VP spot. And that begs the question, which of the leading or likely nominees would take him?

Could be any of them if they perceive an advantage like the racial one that Supsalemgr sees (I guess AA is okay when RepuQs do it). Remember that Kamala was pretty nasty to Joe in the primaries but that didn't stop him from giving her the nod.

[O Really]

Sure a candidate will pick anybody they think (wisely or foolishly) will give them an advantage and not overshadow them in the election or in the job. But I don't see that saying "look we're not racist" is going to get many votes from the Republican mainstream.

OTOH, presidential candidates aren't always the best at accepting VP candidates. Somebody wanted to appeal to women so they got McClain to take Palin. Harris is decent enough on paper, but really hasn't added much to the administration. Ask somebody to name the VP's since Eisenhower and a lot will come up with a lot of blanks.

[GoCubsGo]

So, in another tree falling the forest and not making a sound moment, Pence filed.

I think Christie is next.

[GoCubsGo]

trump is going to have an interesting 2024.


Criminal defendant on multiple counts in multiple jurisdictions by day.

Presidential frontrunner/nominee by night.

It's gonna seriously cut into his golf game.

[billy.pilgrim]

Personal experience is a valid reason for support. I've agreed with you for months on TRE45QN's odds of winning the nomination....

My gut tells me Tim is actually looking at VP. He would be a good running mate and if we listen to him he does not burn bridges and that will appeal to any nominee.

3 separate areas of agreement in one exchange??? Dang, one or both of us has changed.

Way too much past idiocy to imagine he has changed. He 100% corporate socialist.

Can you define "corporate socialist"?

1 example of many:
your claim that a perfect example of capitalism is seen when an American state goes into competition with other American states to give out free land, discounted future taxes and other financial perks to an already rich profitable corporations in hopes they would relocate to SC.rather than one of the other American states.

[Supsalemgr]

Scott hasn't generally received much of the SC Black vote, and there's no real reason to think he'll do better in '24. For one thing, he doesn't represent Black SC voters, nor generally addresses issues of highest priority to most Black voters. Originally he was a Tea Partier. He opposed the Affordable Care Act and immigration reform, called for a flat tax, and wanted a balance budget amendment be added to the Constitution. He has pretty much towed the (White) Republican line in all his voting history. Generally, Black Americans tend to hold more liberal views on government and are inclined to support Democrats, even if Republicans have a black candidate. Hard to imagine what would have to happen for Scott to ever win a substantial number of black voters. This is where the left is misguided. Numbers of Black conservatives are growing.


On the other angle, Scott has a problem with White Republicans because he's ummm, Black. There are undoubtedly some Republicans who would support a Black guy, but they would be a definite minority. For example, how many "birthers" have become enlightened enough to vote for a Black guy? How many Republicans would have happily supported the Republican-designed ACA and not derided it as "Obama-care" if Obama had not been Blackish or named "Barack."?

But yeah, maybe he's trying for a VP spot. And that begs the question, which of the leading or likely nominees would take him? Any of them.

[Supsalemgr]

Can you define "corporate socialist"?

Corporate socialism is an economic system in which the government gives corporations special advantages that allows them to keep their profits while sharing losses with workers and the general population. This is a bipartisan activity in Washington.

The result is that assets are transferred from workers to corporations. This is the exact opposite of democratic socialism, in which wealth is taken from private businesses and distributed to workers.

https://theimpactinvestor.com/corporate-socialism/

[O Really]

Corporate socialism is an economic system in which the government gives corporations special advantages that allows them to keep their profits while sharing losses with workers and the general population. This is a bipartisan activity in Washington.

Oh absolutely. That doesn't make it right or something that I generally support.

[Supsalemgr]

Corporate socialism is an economic system in which the government gives corporations special advantages that allows them to keep their profits while sharing losses with workers and the general population. This is a bipartisan activity in Washington.

Oh absolutely. That doesn't make it right or something that I generally support.

You should be a Trump supporter. This is what his "drain the swamp" pledge meant.

[billy.pilgrim]

Corporate socialism is an economic system in which the government gives corporations special advantages that allows them to keep their profits while sharing losses with workers and the general population. This is a bipartisan activity in Washington.

Oh absolutely. That doesn't make it right or something that I generally support.

You should be a Trump supporter. This is what his "drain the swamp" pledge meant.

He's built the largest swamp ever. It doesn't take much to recognize that trump lies about draining the swamp.
After watching all the things trump has done and said, it's hard for me to understand how anyone other than the very rich, the incredibly stupid and those who claim to be "super" can support him.

It's way past time to admit that trump is destroying our country.

[Vrede too]

You should be a Trump supporter. This is what his "drain the swamp" pledge meant.

You do know that was one of his oft-repeated huge lies, don't you?

Update: We Found a “Staggering” 281 Lobbyists Who’ve Worked in the Trump Administration
That’s one lobbyist for every 14 political appointees, and four times more than Obama had appointed six years into office.
https://www.propublica.org/article/we-f ... nistration

Recording Shows That the Swamp Has Not Been Drained
https://www.envirodata.org/news/Recordi ... 0Times.pdf

Pardoning "The Swamp":

The 11 Criminals Granted Clemency by Trump Had One Thing in Common: Connections

Add in Roger Stone and maybe others since Feb.

Trump issues last-minute order attempting to free his appointees from ethics commitments

, not that anyone should be surprised.

... President-elect Joe Biden takes office at noon on Wednesday, and presumably he could just issue a new executive order reversing Trump's....

Biden's planned executive order, Eisen wrote, "restores the fundamentals of the Obama plan, closing loopholes Trump opened—but going further, including new crackdowns on special interest influence. If implemented rigorously (always a big if) Biden’s plan promises to go further to 'drain the swamp' than either of his predecessors."

Criminal convictions, etc:
Tom Barrack - trial pending
Paul Manafort - convicted
Steve Bannon - pardoned by TRE45ON before he could face trial
Roger Stone - convicted on seven counts
Rick Gates - convicted
Michael Flynn - pleaded guilty
Michael Cohen - pleaded guilty
George Papadopoulos - pleaded guilty
Elliott Broidy - pleaded guilty
George Nader - pleaded guilty
Allen Weisselberg - pleaded guilty
Then, there are the hundreds of J6 convicts and hundreds more with pending trials, all Trumpettes
Other than Bannon, I haven't bothered to list TRE45ON's wimpy, America-hating pardons and commutations. The convictions are convictions.

TRE45ON isn't just a Former PINO, he's a criminal enterprise.

And you haven't touched on charged, awaiting trial and under investigation.

Plus Bannon is awaiting sentencing.

Right you are on Bannon, I've edited above.
I did mention that Tom Barrack is awaiting trial.
Who else has been "charged, awaiting trial" besides the J6 idiots?
"under investigation" may include too many to name or even fully identify at this point. Rudy and Meadows are the most prominent, if not also the most likely to be charged.