I wish.
He's smart, good looking, does a good job, has a good approval rating, yada. He'd also be the poster child for everything any center-right to right voters are scared shitless of. California/San Francisco, even was related to P-Lo for a while by marriage; anti-gun, pro-abortion, isn't afraid of taxes and still gets a surplus. He'd likely increase the turnout for the moon-barking howlers as much as for Dems.
I wish.
He's smart, good looking, does a good job, has a good approval rating, yada. He'd also be the poster child for everything any center-right to right voters are scared shitless of. California/San Francisco, even was related to P-Lo for a while by marriage; anti-gun, pro-abortion, isn't afraid of taxes and still gets a surplus. He'd likely increase the turnout for the moon-barking howlers as much as for Dems.
Kinda what I figured. But never say never, he's not any more moonbeam or polarizing than Bernie or Liz.
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My money is on Joe not running, but not so early that he's a premature lame duck nor so late that the eventual Dem nominee is hurt by the delay.
Bit of a sticky wicket. When to announce he's not running to let the field get in place.
My guess is about a year before the election as an election year presidency is pretty much lame duck anyways. The dems will miss out on a couple of months of primary debates, but that could be a positive.
(Our election season is way too long.)
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Bit of a sticky wicket. When to announce he's not running to let the field get in place.
My guess is about a year before the election as an election year presidency is pretty much lame duck anyways. The dems will miss out on a couple of months of primary debates, but that could be a positive.
(Our election season is way too long.)
Agreed. Joe's timing might be affected by whether he has a favorite that he wants to give a head start, though this can be seen as unfair if it's found out.
A clown with a flamethrower still has a flamethrower.
-- Charlie Sykes on MSNBC
1312. ETTD.
Agreed. Joe's timing might be affected by whether he has a favorite that he wants to give a head start, though this can be seen as unfair if it's found out.
Dems need to learn to be unfair.
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Agreed. Joe's timing might be affected by whether he has a favorite that he wants to give a head start, though this can be seen as unfair if it's found out.
Dems need to learn to be unfair.
I meant unfair to other Dems, but maybe that's what you mean, too.
A clown with a flamethrower still has a flamethrower.
-- Charlie Sykes on MSNBC
1312. ETTD.
Agreed. Joe's timing might be affected by whether he has a favorite that he wants to give a head start, though this can be seen as unfair if it's found out.
Dems need to learn to be unfair.
I meant unfair to other Dems, but maybe that's what you mean, too.
Gotta start somewhere, good practice.
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Dems need to focus on winning, in priorities 1-10. Winning. If somebody gets their feelings hurt and whines about "you're not fair", they can fuckoff. Yes, you too Bernie2020. Get on the team, contribute to the goal of winning every race, or go away.
Dems need to focus on winning, in priorities 1-10. Winning. If somebody gets their feelings hurt and whines about "you're not fair", they can fuckoff. Yes, you too Bernie2020. Get on the team, contribute to the goal of winning every race, or go away.
Maybe it's faulty memory but I thought that Bernie2020 was treated pretty fairly, It was Bernie2016 that really got screwed.
I don't necessarily trust Biden to select the best Dem to be given an edge in 2024. So, I'd prefer that he stay presidential and give them all the same notice as to his intentions. That said, I'm okay with him being open and honest about his preference or staying neutral.
A clown with a flamethrower still has a flamethrower.
-- Charlie Sykes on MSNBC
1312. ETTD.
Dems need to focus on winning, in priorities 1-10. Winning. If somebody gets their feelings hurt and whines about "you're not fair", they can fuckoff. Yes, you too Bernie2020. Get on the team, contribute to the goal of winning every race, or go away.
Maybe it's faulty memory but I thought that Bernie2020 was treated pretty fairly, It was Bernie2016 that really got screwed.
I don't necessarily trust Biden to select the best Dem to be given an edge in 2024. So, I'd prefer that he stay presidential and give them all the same notice as to his intentions. That said, I'm okay with him being open and honest about his preference or staying neutral.
Opps. Yes it was Bernie2016 that whined his way into a Trump presidency*.
Yeah, I know. Hillary was more hated than most knew. Hillary made some serious campaign mistakes. In retrospect, Hillary shouldn't have given Trump "deplorable" bulletin board material. Hillary shouldn't have taken for granted and ignored Rust Belt states. Yada. But she still won the popular vote, and was close enough otherwise for some earlier Bernie support instead of criticism would have helped and likely made a difference. Bernie whining about not being treated fairly did not help.
Opps. Yes it was Bernie2016 that whined his way into a Trump presidency*.
Yeah, I know. Hillary was more hated than most knew. Hillary made some serious campaign mistakes. In retrospect, Hillary shouldn't have given Trump "deplorable" bulletin board material. Hillary shouldn't have taken for granted and ignored Rust Belt states. Yada. But she still won the popular vote, and was close enough otherwise for some earlier Bernie support instead of criticism would have helped and likely made a difference. Bernie whining about not being treated fairly did not help.
Idk know how much impact Bernie team resentment had. Seems to me it was more about poor electoral vote management in an election where she crushed the popular vote by millions. That said, with such close margins in some swing states I suppose that everything mattered . . . including the color of her most recent pantsuit. More seriously, one could just as easily affix blame on the Hillary team for giving the Bernie Bros and Sistahs fodder for griping by employing dirty tricks when she was destined to win the nomination, regardless.
A clown with a flamethrower still has a flamethrower.
-- Charlie Sykes on MSNBC
1312. ETTD.
Biden should do an LBJ type speech six months before the convention and plead for normal people to save the country. And show video of trump being a moron. But with any luck the video won't be needed and they can just use video from the prison.
Idk know how much impact Bernie team resentment had. Seems to me it was more about poor electoral vote management in an election where she crushed the popular vote by millions. That said, with such close margins in some swing states I suppose that everything mattered . . . including the color of her most recent pantsuit. More seriously, one could just as easily affix blame on the Hillary team for giving the Bernie Bros and Sistahs fodder for griping by employing dirty tricks when she was destined to win the nomination, regardless.
In Wisconsin, Bernie won the Dem primary. By a lot - almost 150,000 votes. The demographic that gave the state to Trump was "white working class" voters, who generally would have voted Dem. The guy with 150K+ votes could have told them all "vote for Hillary, vote for Hillary" and a lot more of them would. Whining about being cheated, whether or not valid, and dragging on a luke-warm endorsement did not help. If Hillary had won Wisconsin, she'd have been President. She lost Wisconsin by just under 23,000 votes. You seriously think Bernie couldn't have swayed 23,000 voters?
In Wisconsin, Bernie won the Dem primary. By a lot - almost 150,000 votes. The demographic that gave the state to Trump was "white working class" voters, who generally would have voted Dem. The guy with 150K+ votes could have told them all "vote for Hillary, vote for Hillary" and a lot more of them would. Whining about being cheated, whether or not valid, and dragging on a luke-warm endorsement did not help. If Hillary had won Wisconsin, she'd have been President. She lost Wisconsin by just under 23,000 votes. You seriously think Bernie couldn't have swayed 23,000 voters?
IIRC, he campaigned pretty hard for Hillary.
If Hillary had won Wisconsin, she'd have been President.
Huh?
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If Hillary had won Wisconsin, she'd have been President.
Huh?
Ok, so maybe not only Wisconsin, but according to WaPo:
"He reluctantly and belatedly endorsed her. And the two speeches he has given since for her have basically been papered-over versions of his own stump speech. In short, since he ended his own campaign, Bernie Sanders hasn't done much publicly to help get Hillary Clinton elected president."
However, WaPo didn't think it mattered all that much. I don't see how it couldn't have.
