2024 Elections

[billy.pilgrim]

Well excuuuuuuuse me!
Sure elections are complex and lots of factors count. Sure Hillary made a lot of errors, not the least of which was taking Michigan et. al. somewhat for granted. But still, it was only 10,700 votes. And I'm wondering how many of those were Bernie! people like this one:

“I would follow Bernie to the ends of the earth, but I will never follow him to Hillary,” Covino said. “I’m not voting for Trump, I will write Bernie in. It doesn’t matter what he says.”

BTW, I didn't intend to flog the dead horse. I just didn't know or had forgotten that Bernie! won Michigan and got to thinking "what if."

Patty, with an i, Covino was real. A real fox watching dem who fell for the years of set-up to bring Hillary down.

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“I would follow Bernie to the ends of the earth, but I will never follow him to Hillary,” Covino said. “I’m not voting for Trump, I will write Bernie in. It doesn’t matter what he says.”

Fwiw, Patti Covino is from Vermont, that was at a joint July 12, 2016 rally before the DNC and after Bernie! had conceded, Hillary easily won Vermont 57-30 and who knows what Patti Covino actually did 4 months later?
https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics ... index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Unit ... s_by_state

Patty, with an i, Covino was real. A real fox watching dem who fell for the years of set-up to bring Hillary down.

That's an unsupported assumption. It's far more likely that she's a democratic socialist Vermonter who's been a Bernie! bro (sitah?) for decades. And again, it never mattered with Hillary's lock on Vermont electoral college votes. I might have written in Bernie!, too, or voted for Jill Stein if I was not in a purple state.

[billy.pilgrim]

“I would follow Bernie to the ends of the earth, but I will never follow him to Hillary,” Covino said. “I’m not voting for Trump, I will write Bernie in. It doesn’t matter what he says.”

Fwiw, Patti Covino is from Vermont, that was at a joint July 12, 2016 rally before the DNC and after Bernie! had conceded, Hillary easily won Vermont 57-30 and who knows what Patti Covino actually did 4 months later?
https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics ... index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Unit ... s_by_state

Patty, with an i, Covino was real. A real fox watching dem who fell for the years of set-up to bring Hillary down.

That's an unsupported assumption. It's far more likely that she's a democratic socialist Vermonter who's been a Bernie! bro (sitah?) for decades. And again, it never mattered with Hillary's lock on Vermont electoral college votes. I might have written in Bernie!, too, or voted for Jill Stein if I was not in a purple state.

That's an unsupported assumption.

[O Really]

Real, but not judgemental, question: If somebody is going to write in a candidate or vote for some other hopeful with zero chance, what's the point in voting?

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That's an unsupported assumption.

It's supported by the FACT that she a Vermonter who traveled out of state for a rally that Bernie! was at whereas there's zero evidence that she's a Faux Noise viewer.

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Real, but not judgemental, question: If somebody is going to write in a candidate or vote for some other hopeful with zero chance, what's the point in voting?

It used to be that write-ins were counted and reported. I agree that they're mostly pointless now.
A vote for some other hopeful with zero chance in theory sends a message as to where dissatisfaction lies.
What's the point in voting in a solid blue state like CA, or any non-purple state? I'd say that your Dem vote is MORE pointless than a Libertarian, Green or Independent vote.

[O Really]

I'd agree that my personal presidential vote is worthless, although the congressional race was close enough to vote in. But I really don't get the "send a message". To whom? And do "they" give a damn? I'd say a message works only if it has enough votes to have a chance in the election. DeSantis for example knows that at least 40 percent of Florida residents can't stand him and are opposed to his priorities. Message soundly ignored.

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I'd agree that my personal presidential vote is worthless, although the congressional race was close enough to vote in. But I really don't get the "send a message". To whom? And do "they" give a damn? I'd say a message works only if it has enough votes to have a chance in the election. DeSantis for example knows that at least 40 percent of Florida residents can't stand him and are opposed to his priorities. Message soundly ignored.

billy.pilgrim and Jill Stein sent messages that corporate Dems are unsatisfactory, but you're correct that corporate Dems don't give a damn.

[O Really]

I'd agree that my personal presidential vote is worthless, although the congressional race was close enough to vote in. But I really don't get the "send a message". To whom? And do "they" give a damn? I'd say a message works only if it has enough votes to have a chance in the election. DeSantis for example knows that at least 40 percent of Florida residents can't stand him and are opposed to his priorities. Message soundly ignored.

billy.pilgrim and Jill Stein sent messages that corporate Dems are unsatisfactory, but you're correct that corporate Dems don't give a damn.

Everybody is unsatisfactory to somebody. The most unsatisfactory are those who don't win.

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Everybody is unsatisfactory to somebody. The most unsatisfactory are those who don't win.

You missed the point of Al Gore's book, billy's vote.

[O Really]

Everybody is unsatisfactory to somebody. The most unsatisfactory are those who don't win.

You missed the point of Al Gore's book, billy's vote.

Haven't read it. Maybe that's my problem. What's it about?

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The following article is about Turkey. Read it and substitute "America" for Turkey and "Trump" or "DeSantis" for Erdogan and you'll see the US future if either of those clowns get elected.

Erdoğan is in the lead in Turkey’s elections – and democracy is likely to be the loser

Erdogan Seals Election Victory in Turkey to Defy Naysayers

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan sealed an election victory that appeared unlikely just weeks ago, raising the prospect of more friction with Western governments and international investors.

The country’s longest-serving leader prevailed 52.1% to 47.9% in a runoff vote on Sunday against opposition challenger Kemal Kilicdaroglu to take his rule well into a third decade, based on results with almost all the ballots counted. Erdogan appeared on top of a bus in Istanbul and thanked Turks for keeping him in power.

Should have been thrown under the bus. Maybe the narrowness of victory will restrain the Islamofascist.

The stage was set on May 14 when Erdogan defied opinion polls to come close to winning in the first round while his alliance of parties captured a parliamentary majority. Stocks and bonds declined following that outcome, while the lira has been sinking to new depths against the dollar....

Let's hope that we won't be substituting "Trump" or "DeSantis".

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New Hampshire GOP Gov. Chris Sununu says any Republican in the presidential race who isn't 'hitting Donald Trump hard right now' is 'doing the entire party a disservice'

New Hampshire Republican Gov. Chris Sununu is still mulling jumping into the presidential race but sternly warned declared candidates who have yet to aggressively target former President Donald Trump to shift their gears.

"All Republicans have to be hitting Donald Trump," Sununu told The New York Times. "Any Republican that isn't hitting Donald Trump hard right now is doing the entire party a disservice because if only one or two people are willing to take a shot at Donald Trump, it looks personal. It looks petty."

The governor, who in November 2022 was elected to his fourth two-year term in office, told the newspaper that he was "50-50" at the moment when it came to entering the 2024 Republican presidential primary.

Sununu, a Trump critic who last year rejected a concerted effort by Washington Republicans for him to run for the Senate against Democratic Sen. Maggie Hassan, has repeatedly said that a Trump nomination would be detrimental to the GOP and likely cost the party the presidency.

"Trump is going to be seen as a very extreme candidate. The country is going to push back against it," Sununu told ABC News earlier this year.

Agreed, GoTrumpGo.

While speaking with NBC News last month, Sununu called Trump a "loser" and placed blame on the former president for Republican congressional losses in 2018, 2020, and 2022.

Also 2016 absent the campaign finance felonies and Russian help.

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Ex-Trump Official Makes Stark Prediction About Trump 2024

Mick Mulvaney thinks Donald Trump will be the GOP nominee in the 2024 presidential election.

But in an interview with Sky News Australia on Tuesday, the onetime acting chief of staff in Trump’s White House predicted Trump will lose in the general election.

“The Republican primary will be about Donald Trump and he will probably win,” Mulvaney said. “And then the general election will be about Donald Trump and he will probably lose.”

Mulvaney described Trump as a “turnout machine,” noting he drives people to vote both for and against him.

The race “will be about him: ‘Do you love him or do you hate him?’” Mulvaney continued. “Which is pretty much a repeat of 2020.” ...

I agree, with 2 caveats:
1. Idk what effects indictments and/or convictions will have on primary voters, and on TRE45QN's desire and legal ability to continue the campaign.
2. This could all be a grift and Dolt .45 never really intended to go all the way with the campaign.

[billy.pilgrim]

1) rules and laws will be ignored as they have been since 2016

2) not a chance

[O Really]

I agree with billy.p, except that I don't think he'll really make it to the end of primaries. Legal baggage may stop him or sharply erode his support from anybody other than the cult; or health issues may bag him; or somebody takes him out.

[neoplacebo]

I'm hoping Jack Smith eventually convicts him for inciting and or aiding an insurrection, which would prevent him from holding elected office at the state or federal level.

[GoCubsGo]

I agree with billy.p, except that I don't think he'll really make it to the end of primaries. Legal baggage may stop him or sharply erode his support from anybody other than the cult; or health issues may bag him; or somebody takes him out.

He still may very well make it, but the screaming will be EPIC. Probably a whole new level if he's being tried during the general campaign.

[GoCubsGo]

The Republican field is going to get a little more crowded next week.

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The Republican field is going to get a little more crowded next week.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD1byTaVYAAGKnA.jpg

You've forever ruined a great TV show for me.

Ex-VP Q-tip is expected to make it official very soon, too.

Tim Scott is wholly owned:

Who is Larry Ellison, the billionaire backing Sen. Tim Scott’s presidential run?
The founder of Oracle is reportedly looking to donate $60 million to a pro-Scott PAC.

... Now, the 78-year-old billionaire — currently ranked by Forbes as fourth-wealthiest person in the world, with an estimated net worth of $127 billion — is making another hefty wager, this time on an underdog presidential candidate with big upside.

Fitting, Scott may end up getting around the fourth-highest number of primary votes.

... so far, Scott has polled no higher than 2%. He’s stuck in a group of candidates trying to break out of the pack to emerge as the non-Trump Republican alternative, as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis slides in the polls.

Poor poor Fascist DerSantis.

Scott is in sixth place behind former President Donald Trump, who leads the FiveThirtyEight polling average at 54%, followed by DeSantis at 20%, former Vice President Mike Pence at 5%, Nikki Haley, the former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, at 4%, and biopharmaceutical CEO Vivek Ramaswamy, also at 4%.

Polling worse than Vivek Ramaswamy is really saying something!

... In 2016, Ellison gave $4 million to support Sen. Marco Rubio’s candidacy for president. Rubio, a Florida Republican, made a run at the GOP nomination but was unable to emerge from a crowded field....

Track record of success!

During the Trump presidency, Ellison held a fundraiser that netted Trump’s reelection campaign $7 million.

Another success!

But for now, he’s with Scott, who took the unusual step of giving his primary financial backer a shout-out at his campaign launch event last week.

“I thank God almighty that he continues to provide me with really cool mentors,” Scott told a South Carolina crowd. “One of my mentors, Larry Ellison, is with us today, and I am so thankful to have so many different mentors in the house.”

Uncle Tim really should drop the habit of calling him 'Massah Larry'.