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Sweet.
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Perp walk.

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They're all running away.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3 ... -2024-run/

'“I love my father very much. This time around, I am choosing to prioritize my young children and the private life we are creating as a family. I do not plan to be involved in politics,” Ivanka Trump told Fox News Digital in an interview.,"

She is believed by some to have exclaimed, Jared says we made billion during daddy's administration and I think billions may be enough for now.
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I am pleased that this is not just about falsifying business records for tax purposes. It's also about doing so in furtherance of campaign spending crimes. So, convictions on these counts will necessarily prove that Former PINO's "election" was illegitimate. It will also shame Garland's inaction on the campaign spending felonies.
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Vrede too wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 4:26 pm
I am pleased that this is not just about falsifying business records for tax purposes. It's also about doing so in furtherance of campaign spending crimes. So, convictions on these counts will necessarily prove that Former PINO's "election" was illegitimate. It will also shame Garland's inaction on the campaign spending felonies.
I actually think there's other investigations going on in New York that they're not prepared to file charges on yet.
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I still say it's gonna come down to taxes.

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O Really wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:08 pm
I still say it's gonna come down to taxes.
Agreed, it's probably easier to convict for falsifying business records for tax purposes than doing so in furtherance of campaign spending crimes. The judge may not even allow the latter.
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Vrede too wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:16 pm
O Really wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:08 pm
I still say it's gonna come down to taxes.
Agreed, it's probably easier to convict for falsifying business records for tax purposes than doing so in furtherance of campaign spending crimes. The judge may not even allow the latter.
A Surprise Accusation Bolsters a Risky Case Against Trump

The unsealed indictment against former President Donald Trump on Tuesday laid out an unexpected accusation that bolstered what many legal experts have described as an otherwise risky and novel case: Prosecutors claim he falsified business records in part for a plan to deceive state tax authorities....
The legal intricacies are what they are, and desperate Trumpettes can screech petty semantics until the cows come home. However, sane and honorable people know these things:
The hush money payments were designed to aid the campaign;
They were thus at first illegally excessive donations by Cohen, then they became unreported campaign spending when Cohen was reimbursed;
TRE45QN would not have won an extremely narrow EC victory without the silence that had been purchased;
He was thus a PINO for four years and he and his Cult .45 are LOSERS.
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Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:43 am

TRE45QN would not have won an extremely narrow EC victory without the silence that had been purchased;
Not so sure I'd agree with that line. If the other sleazy stuff about Trump and the "grab 'em by the pussy" tape didn't do it, I don't know that reports of occasional banging of adult entertainers would make much difference. I'm pretty sure that there would be some ceremonious harrummphing from some, but after that would come the water over the bridge.

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TRE45QN would not have won an extremely narrow EC victory without the silence that had been purchased;

Not so sure I'd agree with that line. If the other sleazy stuff about Trump and the "grab 'em by the pussy" tape didn't do it, I don't know that reports of occasional banging of adult entertainers would make much difference. I'm pretty sure that there would be some ceremonious harrummphing from some, but after that would come the water over the bridge.
Maybe.
The margin was just 75K votes spread across 3 key states.
The other sleazy stuff and tape probably did contribute to Hillary's 3M vote margin.
Cheating on new mom Melania with an affair with a porn star might have been thought by some to be especially tawdry.

Anyhow, I can speculate on what the effect of the revelation would have been in 2016, but the important thing is that Dolt .45 thought that it would negatively affect his campaign. Hence, the coverup.
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In the retrospect of 7 years, I'm pretty sure that Hillary was mostly at fault for her own demise and that unfortunately Trump was just standing at the head of the clown line.

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Wed Apr 05, 2023 1:40 pm
In the retrospect of 7 years, I'm pretty sure that Hillary was mostly at fault for her own demise and that unfortunately Trump was just standing at the head of the clown line.
I'm fine with crediting Hillary with "mostly" (and Obama with some), but everything mattered with such a skinny margin. We (ahem :P ) nominated Hillary and have to accept responsibility for that. Still, TRE45QN committed campaign finance felonies and should be held historically accountable for them and the illegitimate "win", if not also criminally liable.
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We can now do away with the Trump 6'3" 239lb version. Official booking dimensions are 6'1" 270lb.

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There is nothing under the sun that trump won't lie about. Most things he'll lie about more than once.

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O Really wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:53 pm
We can now do away with the Trump 6'3" 239lb version. Official booking dimensions are 6'1" 270lb.
I love it.
I had him pegged at 6'2" and 270 lbs. I was close.
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Random thoughts...
Didn't the practice and expression "ballot box stuffing" originate when there were all paper ballots and one-day voting?

I don't really have a problem with voter ID - and truthfully didn't know until relatively recently that it wasn't required. I think I may have even showed my licence at a voting place. But if those who want to suppress votes think it's a good thing, then I'm against it.

As bad as McCarthy and its "ism" was, his delusions and rantings were at least founded in some version of fact. There really was a communist "movement" and there were expansionist communist countries opposed to the US. I'd guess that Trump couldn't define nor distinguish among "socialists" "Marxists" and "communists" and has now just solidified all potentially negative terms into one big "bad evil demon stuff"

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O Really wrote:
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Random thoughts...
Didn't the practice and expression "ballot box stuffing" originate when there were all paper ballots and one-day voting?

I don't really have a problem with voter ID - and truthfully didn't know until relatively recently that it wasn't required. I think I may have even showed my licence at a voting place. But if those who want to suppress votes think it's a good thing, then I'm against it.

As bad as McCarthy and its "ism" was, his delusions and rantings were at least founded in some version of fact. There really was a communist "movement" and there were expansionist communist countries opposed to the US. I'd guess that Trump couldn't define nor distinguish among "socialists" "Marxists" and "communists" and has now just solidified all potentially negative terms into one big "bad evil demon stuff"
Bingo!

Except for the paper ballots. Anything can be corrupted. There are examples of computers being rigged, or computers that can be manipulated from another location and there are problems with punch cards, ballot layout and machine readings. Many of these contributed to the bush presidency and the Trump Big Lie.

Everyone should have the opportunity to vote.
Everyone involved should be monitored and these records kept available for scrutiny by anyone.
Dishonesty by public officials must carry mandatory prison time.
Intentional illegal voting should carry stiff mandatory penalties.
Buses could easily transport those unable to get to their polling location.
The Election Office could mobilize a couple of people and include Democratic and repug observers.
The voting time frame must be adequate to serve everyone without waiting in line for more than 1 hour.

Original to me idea - change the big multi page ballots to colored 3x5s, with one for each race. No punching or machine readings.
Circle or fill in a box for your vote. Individual cards can be replaced for damages or mistakes prior to submission.
(The ballots could still be read and tabulated by election officals, while being monitored by the interested parties, in a day, but so what if it takes 5 or 10.) I think 5 or 6 days increases the overall interest in voting.
Vote counting would require separating ballots by color and then simply counting.
Ballots would always be available for recounts.

And unlike punch card ballots, these ballots read the same right-side up as they do upside-down - crazy.

I like paper.

I also kinda like the Iraqi way of putting their thumb in indelible purple ink. One person, one vote.
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I don't like paper. If the machines aren't connected to the internet (as they aren't now), the likelihood of massive hacking is small. But if there must be paper, you color idea is a good one. Somebody's going to complain that it discriminates against the color blind (opps chromatically challenged) people.

BTW, you probably do, too, but I remember the hanging chad ballots. They really were confusing, that was no bs - I thought that when I voted, but had no idea how much trouble it would cause.

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