Ukraine

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Not to be too exuberant but Joltin' Joe MAY have just won reelection. Going to Kyiv by train on the anniversary of the uprising that deposed the Putin puppet was a petty freakin' bold FU to Vlad.

Germany Carnival



Note the tub's colors.

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Ut-oh, trouble in Putin’s Paradise.

‘Putin’s Chef’ Leaks Grisly Corpse Photos in Public Betrayal of Kremlin

If there were ever a time for the Kremlin to worry about an uprising by its most out-of-control private army, now would appear to be it.

Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin has gone from accusing the Russian military of treason to flooding the internet with gruesome photos of the country’s war dead.

“Who is to blame for them dying? Those who should have resolved the issue of supplying us with sufficient quantities of ammunition are to blame,” Prigozhin said Wednesday in comments to a pro-war Telegram channel, singling out Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov. A day earlier, he accused both of trying to “destroy” the Wagner Group by deliberately choking off their ammunition supply....

Hmm, a PRIVATE outfit demanding govt subsidies, just like America.

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Q: When will the war end?

Older woman at her 27 year old son's graveside: When Putin is dead.

That's a very reasonable answer. Is anyone working on that?

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Russia loses major tank battle for Vuhledar due to ambushes NYT

... Details: According to NYT, the charred hulks of Russian armoured vehicles now litter farm fields all about Vuhledar, according to Ukrainian military drone footage – blown up on mines, hit with artillery or obliterated by anti-tank missiles.

Ukraine’s military said Russia had lost at least 130 tanks and armoured personnel carriers in the battle.

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Russian tank explodes in ball of flames as Ukrainian Special Forces strike in Donetsk

Russian tank explodes as Ukrainian drone drops bomb into open hatch

Opps.

Huge explosions as Ukrainian forces wipe out tank convoy with US javelins

Ukrainian Paratroopers take out a Russian tank and infantry with bombs from a weaponised drone

Russian equipment that fired at Ukrainian army position was ambushed on its way back

Russian tank is blown to pieces in Ukrainian missile strike

Ukrainian Battalion destroys Russian tank with pin point accurate artillery strike

Russian ammunition warehouse EXPLODES in Luhansk as Ukrainian forces strike

[billy.pilgrim]

Russian tank explodes in ball of flames as Ukrainian Special Forces strike in Donetsk

Russian tank explodes as Ukrainian drone drops bomb into open hatch

Opps.

Huge explosions as Ukrainian forces wipe out tank convoy with US javelins

Ukrainian Paratroopers take out a Russian tank and infantry with bombs from a weaponised drone

Russian equipment that fired at Ukrainian army position was ambushed on its way back

Russian tank is blown to pieces in Ukrainian missile strike

Ukrainian Battalion destroys Russian tank with pin point accurate artillery strike

Russian ammunition warehouse EXPLODES in Luhansk as Ukrainian forces strike

Wouldn't it be great to see putin fall while alive and in office due to Ukraine.
Too bad lke is still likeable for:
starting the Vietnam War
overthrowing democracy in Iran
feeding the military industrial complex
and botching the interstate highway system
But of course any name that rhythms with "like" is a sure winner with the American voter, as with actual history and memories.
Ike was truly one of our worst.

Tomorrow is the anniversary of My Lai
too bad it took some 40 years to find out that our government knew about and investigated 300 more such incidents during the war and poor "cover-up colin" never became president.

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Wouldn't it be great to see putin fall while alive and in office due to Ukraine.
Too bad lke is still likeable for:
starting the Vietnam War
overthrowing democracy in Iran
feeding the military industrial complex
and botching the interstate highway system
But of course any name that rhythms with "like" is a sure winner with the American voter, as with actual history and memories.
Ike was truly one of our worst.

Tomorrow is the anniversary of My Lai
too bad it took some 40 years to find out that our government knew about and investigated 300 more such incidents during the war and poor "cover-up colin" never became president.

Even so, Ike was probably the best post-WW2 Repug POTUS. Nixon did a few progressive things, but wrecked his legacy over an election he was destined to win, regardless.

Ukrainian Anti-tank missile destroys Russian tank and crew.

[O Really]

Other than I-10 and I-81 being so effin' rough they're undriveable, what did Eisenhower do to "botch the interstate system"?

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Other than I-10 and I-81 being so effin' rough they're undriveable, what did Eisenhower do to "botch the interstate system"?

Prior interstate discussions including you, billy.pilgrim, me, Stinger, Leo Lyons, Bungalow Bill, neoplacebo and rstrong:
viewtopic.php?p=23797#p23797
viewtopic.php?p=26737#p26737
viewtopic.php?p=75817#p75817

The American interstate system is a wonder of the modern world....

Copy and paste at will. billy.pilgrim mentions towns displaced and destroyed. In my skimming I didn't notice reference to how often Black neighborhoods were divided, but there's that, too.

Edit: Found it.
viewtopic.php?p=148251#p148251

I think ike's interstate system destroyed small towns, small business and mom and pop entrepreneurs all over, leaving us with big box stores, chain restaurants and low wages.

I meant that "there's not one fucking thing wrong with" Eisenhower's interstate system being socialist, not that it didn't have negative effects. It also helped reshape our economy and culture into being so auto-dependent, with the downsides of that including everything from oil wars to AGW. Then, there's:

Buttigieg says America’s highways are racist and infrastructure bill will help fix it

Racist RepuQs being lying crybabies in denial, as usual:

Buttigieg responds to Ted Cruz (Mike Huckabee, Fucker Carlson and others) on racism in highway design

My favorite:

Ike got the interstate idea from Hitler, not directly of course.

[O Really]

Acknowledging that some portions of the interstate system have been disruptive and particularly egregious in splitting Black communities, and acknowledging further that interstates and other "by-passes" are largely responsible for allowing Wal-Mart et. al. to ruin otherwise charming little downtowns, I still don't see a realistic and practical alternate solution. And I still say the good outweighs the bad.

BTW, I've been on the entire length of the 5,10,15, 26,40,70,81,85,95 and most of the 80,55, and a bunch of other shorter ones and loops. Counting pre-motorcoach travel too, they've provided a way for us to see a lot of places and things we would never had the opportunity to see if we were traveling on some two-lane road. And we've traveled on some backroads for one reason or another too, but it's definitely not the way you want to get from one place to another. Actually here, we usually go down toward SD on the 5, but almost always come home on the beach road, going through all the towns.

[O Really]

Interstates have on thing that makes a big difference depending on what you're driving/towing - maximum 7% grades.

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Interstates have on thing that makes a big difference depending on what you're driving/towing - maximum 7% grades.

I'm a fence-sitter on the debate. I'd be interested in a serious portrait of what we would look like without them - communities, environment, economy, recreation, etc - or if we'd somehow done them differently.

[O Really]

I'm a fence-sitter on the debate. I'd be interested in a serious portrait of what we would look like without them - communities, environment, economy, recreation, etc - or if we'd somehow done them differently.

Canada?

There would always be roads between places, and they would either be Interstate-lite, such as a bunch of California freeways that are state highways but if you're driving it looks like an interstate, or they'd be two or three-lane death traps. But consider that even though many communities might be better, and maybe the environment has cleaner air (like it did during the first year of covid), that there would be no way for commerce to flow and the economy to grow to the extent the interstates have facilitated. Actually, it's a long deep rabbit hole to start thinking what if there were no interstates.

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Other than I-10 and I-81 being so effin' rough they're undriveable, what did Eisenhower do to "botch the interstate system"?

Damn phone call, I've lost this twice. I think I've left something out.

From memory, may be bs, but those ruts on the right lanes on all of our interstates support that ol' Likeable Ike did it on the cheap for the trucking industries. He also did it on the lie that our national security required moving troops over the interstates and that it wasn't being built for industry.

This system allowed while ignoring the ruin of small towns, local jobs and the scattering of families and now our dependence on eating foods grown hundreds or thousands of miles away, often under questionable circumstances, just because we are now accustomed to have it now, instead of waiting for the season and buying local.

But the big thing was cutting the Autobahn specs nearly in half and selling republican lies. (I admit that I am biased against large industries and republicans - they both lie and prey on people).

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Acknowledging that some portions of the interstate system have been disruptive and particularly egregious in splitting Black communities, and acknowledging further that interstates and other "by-passes" are largely responsible for allowing Wal-Mart et. al. to ruin otherwise charming little downtowns, I still don't see a realistic and practical alternate solution. And I still say the good outweighs the bad.

BTW, I've been on the entire length of the 5,10,15, 26,40,70,81,85,95 and most of the 80,55, and a bunch of other shorter ones and loops. Counting pre-motorcoach travel too, they've provided a way for us to see a lot of places and things we would never had the opportunity to see if we were traveling on some two-lane road. And we've traveled on some backroads for one reason or another too, but it's definitely not the way you want to get from one place to another. Actually here, we usually go down toward SD on the 5, but almost always come home on the beach road, going through all the towns.

I drove to Montana from Florida and back on mostly 2 lane roads, probably 15%+/- on dirt and gravel, no interstates. What a peaceful interesting trip. The places and things I saw and the foods I ate have remained far more vivid than any interstate trip I've made.

Which is best, the beach road or the interstate?
Now imagine a back woods road through west Texas or Alabana. There's even greater contrast in this sort of travel.

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Wouldn't it be great to see putin fall while alive and in office due to Ukraine.
Too bad lke is still likeable for:
starting the Vietnam War
overthrowing democracy in Iran
feeding the military industrial complex
and botching the interstate highway system
But of course any name that rhythms with "like" is a sure winner with the American voter, as with actual history and memories.
Ike was truly one of our worst.

Tomorrow is the anniversary of My Lai
too bad it took some 40 years to find out that our government knew about and investigated 300 more such incidents during the war and poor "cover-up colin" never became president.

Even so, Ike was probably the best post-WW2 Repug POTUS. Nixon did a few progressive things, but wrecked his legacy over an election he was destined to win, regardless.

Ukrainian Anti-tank missile destroys Russian tank and crew.

Ike was pretty much the backbone of everything we have wrong.
Industry over people
War at every turn
Destruction of democracies
All like had was a rhyming slogan for a name and a history using the slogan rather than admitting the harm he caused.

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Even so, Ike was probably the best post-WW2 Repug POTUS. Nixon did a few progressive things, but wrecked his legacy over an election he was destined to win, regardless.

Ike was pretty much the backbone of everything we have wrong.
Industry over people
War at every turn
Destruction of democracies
All Ike had was a rhyming slogan for a name and a history using the slogan rather than admitting the harm he caused.

I set a low bar. Which post-WW2 Repug do you think was better than Ike?

[billy.pilgrim]

Even so, Ike was probably the best post-WW2 Repug POTUS. Nixon did a few progressive things, but wrecked his legacy over an election he was destined to win, regardless.

Ike was pretty much the backbone of everything we have wrong.
Industry over people
War at every turn
Destruction of democracies
All Ike had was a rhyming slogan for a name and a history using the slogan rather than admitting the harm he caused.

I set a low bar. Which post-WW2 Repug do you think was better than Ike?

Ford. And Nixon was probably better than Ike. Sure he prolonged a war, but it was like who started it.

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I'm a fence-sitter on the debate. I'd be interested in a serious portrait of what we would look like without them - communities, environment, economy, recreation, etc - or if we'd somehow done them differently.

Canada?

There would always be roads between places, and they would either be Interstate-lite, such as a bunch of California freeways that are state highways but if you're driving it looks like an interstate, or they'd be two or three-lane death traps. But consider that even though many communities might be better, and maybe the environment has cleaner air (like it did during the first year of covid), that there would be no way for commerce to flow and the economy to grow to the extent the interstates have facilitated. Actually, it's a long deep rabbit hole to start thinking what if there were no interstates.

Canada doesn't have interstate equivalents?

Cleaner air would be nice, but I think more about the degree to which interstates have helped create an entire culture that promotes AGW, handing us a literal existential crisis in less than 75 years.

[O Really]

Canada has national roads, like Canada 1 trans Canada Highway, but it's no interstate.

To billy. P's question - sure the beach road is better if youve got time, and sometimes it better for time than a dead still interstate. But most of the time, if time is any factor at all, the freeways are better.

We took 212 through Montana. 98 pct of it was great and beautiful. 5 or so miles was the pavement scraped up all the way down to the rock. Climbed over it at about 10mph. Still damaged my rig.