Healthcare Issues

[O Really]

No real justification except there's also no justification why they should get any public money to send their kid to private school. Punitive deterrent for refusing vax and endangering other members of the public, that's all.

[Vrede too]

No real justification except there's also no justification why they should get any public money to send their kid to private school.

I agree that there should be no 'school choice' money. No subsidies for the xtian madrassas and others!

Punitive deterrent for refusing vax and endangering other members of the public, that's all.

For better or worse vax mandates are a public school health mandate, not a public health mandate. We have no mechanism for the latter and the only mechanism for the former is denial of access. The effect of this is negated by access to 'school choice' money.

[O Really]

Yeah, the fine is a bit of fantasy. But I do think they shouldn't be allowed in school, and no refund or voucher for anywhere else. If they want to endanger their kid, and others, let them do it on their own dime.

[Vrede too]

Yeah, the fine is a bit of fantasy. But I do think they shouldn't be allowed in school, and no refund or voucher for anywhere else. If they want to endanger their kid, and others, let them do it on their own dime.

A problem with vouchers is we don't know why parents want them. If they're refused for antivaxxers they'll just give another excuse.

[GoCubsGo]

BTW

[Whack9]

Kentuckians getting what they voted for:

Rural healthcare will cease to exist’ if Trump cuts Medicaid, Kentucky Gov. warns

https://www.semafor.com/article/04/23/2 ... hear-warns

Medicaid cuts under consideration by Republicans “will cause the American people to nearly revolt,” Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear said Wednesday.

Children and older adults will be hit the hardest, as well as those with private insurance, he predicted to Stephanie Ruhle, MSNBC host and a senior business analyst with NBC News, at Semafor’s World Economy Summit in Washington, DC — and “rural healthcare will cease to exist.”

...

Republicans are starting to craft a party-line tax-and-spending bill that could end up with significant cuts to Medicaid; the House GOP committee in charge of the health care program is eyeing $880 billion in cuts over 10 years. Yet there’s plenty of skepticism about those cuts from centrists in the party, and critics on the left have warned that such cuts would endanger lives: A new analysis Wednesday from the liberal think tank Center for American Progress predicted that more than 34,000 people could die each year if Republican lawmakers pass the cuts.

Promises made, promises kept.

[Vrede too]

Kentuckians getting what they voted for:

Rural healthcare will cease to exist if Trump cuts Medicaid, Kentucky Gov. warns

https://www.semafor.com/article/04/23/2 ... hear-warns



Promises made, promises kept.

In my somewhat dated experience serving a semi-rural population at Transylvania Regional Hospital Medicaid cuts would be a crushing blow to the 86.53% White non-Latino people. They are 55-43 Republican. TRH will only remain open if Mission Health System wants to massively subsidize it. Many nursing homes and other senior care facilities would be forced to close.

Thanks POTUS Musk and PINO.

[Whack9]

Kentuckians getting what they voted for:

Rural healthcare will cease to exist if Trump cuts Medicaid, Kentucky Gov. warns

https://www.semafor.com/article/04/23/2 ... hear-warns



Promises made, promises kept.

In my somewhat dated experience serving a semi-rural population at Transylvania Regional Hospital Medicaid cuts would be a crushing blow to the 86.53% White non-Latino people. They are 55-43 Republican. TRH will only remain open if Mission Health System wants to massively subsidize it. Many nursing homes and other senior care facilities would be forced to close.

Thanks POTUS Musk and PINO.

I don't think these people really even know how the services they use are paid for. They just assumed it's always been the case that the money is gonna roll in. By some magic the services are just there and always have been and always will be. Having grown up in a shit hole economically depressed area, a lot of times they're overly concerned about some "others" that are undeserving for "reasons" getting a piece of the pie. They don't think it's themselves that are benefiting. But in reality it absolutely is.

[Vrede too]

I don't think these people really even know how the services they use are paid for. They just assumed it's always been the case that the money is gonna roll in. By some magic the services are just there and always have been and always will be. Having grown up in a shit hole economically depressed area, a lot of times they're overly concerned about some "others" that are undeserving for "reasons" getting a piece of the pie. They don't think it's themselves that are benefiting. But in reality it absolutely is.

Then, there are all the people who benefit despite not getting direct benefits. If, for example, Transylvania Regional Hospital was shuttered because of Medicaid cuts, everyone in the area would suffer - the elderly on Medicare, those with private insurance, people that pay their own medical bills, etc. Too bad, drive to Asheville or Hooterville.


Speaking of private insurance:

Bethnal Green, London:


Lower Manhattan, NY (projection):


NYC?:


Post Alley at Pike Place Market in Seattle, WA:




Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic:

[Vrede too]

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Hell, advising someone not to die is a good thing to do. But telling them that if they do die, they'll maybe be lost or put on the Red 22A shelf for a year at least. I'd be motivated to not be a shelf mummy.

Tennessee passes law allowing doctors to deny care if it violates their morals
One of the supporters of the bill is a doctor who was very upset that they were asked for their pronouns.

In a worst case scenario you could be denied care to the point of risking turning you into a shelf mummy.

That said, it would have been interesting to deny care to bigots, MAGA, GQP and RW xtians, and have the state then support my choice People like me are a reason to oppose such legislation. We don't need or deserve the temptation.

[neoplacebo]

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Hell, advising someone not to die is a good thing to do. But telling them that if they do die, they'll maybe be lost or put on the Red 22A shelf for a year at least. I'd be motivated to not be a shelf mummy.

Tennessee passes law allowing doctors to deny care if it violates their morals
One of the supporters of the bill is a doctor who was very upset that they were asked for their pronouns.

In a worst case scenario you could be denied care to the point of risking turning you into a shelf mummy.

That said, it would have been interesting to deny care to bigots, MAGA, GQP and RW xtians, and have the state then support my choice People like me are a reason to oppose such legislation. We don't need or deserve the temptation.

Hell, I would not be surprised if TN passed a law that says you have to show ID to buy bread or eggs. Just to suck up to dear leader. But I've never been one to seek medical care unless I think I'm going to die. I drove over twenty miles to work one day, knowing all along something was wrong with me, and two hours later I was being driven to the hospital in an ambulance after the fire department came to the office. They said my blood pressure was 200 and something over 100 and something. Five days later I came out bruised and battered.

[Vrede too]

DOGE Is Bringing Back a Deadly Disease

Silicosis

Making America Sicker Again

[Vrede too]

Specific cuts to Medicaid?
1. Reduction in eligibility, back to pre-ObamaCare
2 Reduction in benefits and coverage
3. Reduction in administration, making enrollment and claims more difficult and time-consuming

OK, your turn, specific examples of waste and fraud, please.

I agree those examples could be considered cuts. What is your source for that info?

Well, every day some source reports that in addition to demanding unsustainable cuts from the Commerce Department, that various congress critters have been waving specific axes at Medicaid and ready to introduce legislation at first chance. But also, here's a good article relating to that, without "lefty hysteria" and by people who know what they're talking about. "McDermott+ exclusively serves the health industry with one-stop consulting, policy and lobbying services supported by data analytics and reimbursement, coding, coverage and quality reporting knowledge."

https://www.mcdermottplus.com/blog/regs ... e-options/

We went several rounds with SoupySales where he pleaded ignorance to the OBVIOUS GQP plans to slash Medicaid. Guess what?

House Republicans unveil Medicaid cuts that Democrats warn will leave millions without care

House Republicans have unveiled the cost-saving centerpiece of President Donald Trump's “big, beautiful bill,” at least $880 billion in cuts largely to Medicaid to help cover the cost of $4.5 trillion in tax breaks.

... “In no uncertain terms, millions of Americans will lose their health care coverage," said Rep. Frank Pallone of New Jersey, the top Democrat on the panel. He said "hospitals will close, seniors will not be able to access the care they need, and premiums will rise for millions of people if this bill passes."

... The energy portions of the legislation run far fewer pages, but include rollbacks of climate-change strategies President Joe Biden signed into law in the Inflation Reduction Act.

It proposes rescinding funds for a range of energy loans and investment programs while providing expedited permitting for natural gas development and oil pipelines.

[Vrede too]

Hmm, SoupySales is silent now that GQP scheming against Medicaid has been revealed. Funny that.


Luigi Mangione was right?

UnitedHealth under criminal probe for possible Medicare fraud, WSJ reports

Did Luigi Mangione execute a thief who was criminally responsible for tens of thousands of American deaths? CEO Thompson was not able to escape justice like Sen Rick Scott (R-FL) did. Can this somehow be sneaked into the trial?

[Vrede too]

Hmm, SoupySales is silent now that GQP scheming against Medicaid has been revealed. Funny that.

In case there is any doubt:

GOP Lawmaker Accidentally Says 'Quiet Part Out Loud' With Awkward 'Freudian Slip'

... During a Fox News interview with Will Cain, Smith, the chair of the House Ways and Means Committee, briefly let slip a phrase that critics said gave away the GOP game.

Smith listed sticking points holding up the passage of the bill, such as the issue of the federal deduction for state and local taxes (SALT) and the repeal of green credits.

Then he added, “And then you can look at Medicaid cuts…”

He immediately backtracked, quickly correcting himself: “Medicaid reforms, I should say.”

Busted.

You know what this is? Death by 1000 reforms.

More at the link.

[O Really]

Hmm, SoupySales is silent now that GQP scheming against Medicaid has been revealed. Funny that.

Yeah, but evidence has never kept him from looking directly at a dumpster fire and seeing a gourmet food truck.

[Vrede too]

Hmm, SoupySales is silent now that GQP scheming against Medicaid has been revealed. Funny that.

Yeah, but evidence has never kept him from looking directly at a dumpster fire and seeing a gourmet food truck.

Luigi Mangione was right?

UnitedHealth under criminal probe for possible Medicare fraud, WSJ reports

Did Luigi Mangione execute a thief who was criminally responsible for tens of thousands of American deaths? CEO Thompson was not able to escape justice like Sen Rick Scott (R-FL) did. Can this somehow be sneaked into the trial?

One of America’s biggest companies is imploding

UnitedHealth Group, one of America’s biggest corporations and a member of the exclusive Dow Jones Industrial Average, is suddenly unraveling.

The crisis engulfing UnitedHealth hit a crescendo this week when CEO Andrew Witty stepped down abruptly for “personal reasons.”

... And then The Wall Street Journal dropped the hammer, revealing that UnitedHealth is under federal criminal investigation for possible Medicare fraud.

The developments have stunned investors, triggering a dramatic loss of confidence. UnitedHealth’s (UNH) stock has lost half its value – a staggering $288 billion – in the span of a month. Its share price plunged on Thursday to its lowest level since April 2020, during the height of the pandemic.

Anyone who stayed invested after Luigi Mangione focused the nation on the company is a fool, an ass, or both.

... The trouble at UnitedHealth comes almost exactly six months after the murder of Brian Thompson, one of its top executives. The brazen shooting of Thompson, in Midtown Manhattan, captured international attention and surfaced deep public resentment toward the healthcare industry.

As I said before reading this paragraph.

... In its annual report, UnitedHealth acknowledged the company “has been involved or is currently involved in various governmental investigations, audits and reviews.”

UnitedHealth said these include “routine, regular and special investigations, audits and reviews” by a wide range of agencies, including the DOJ, the Internal Revenue Service, the Labor Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Ut-oh.