They could probably set up abortion services on Indian reservations, too. They're sovereign entities that have their own laws and courts.....Vrede too wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:30 pmFrom your lips . . .
Could federal lands be a loophole for abortion access? Legal experts say it's complicated
Crafty idea. I wonder if it'll fly or if the issues just make it too complex to try.Smokey says..."only you can prevent pregnancies"
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That wouldn't even require federal involvement, though I'm not sure what current IHS policy is. I believe some tribes are considering it. However, it would be a big step going to war with the misogynist states in which they reside. The potential revenue may be an important factor. In "hater-locked" states like OK it could be huge.neoplacebo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:36 amThey could probably set up abortion services on Indian reservations, too. They're sovereign entities that have their own laws and courts.....
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Opps! Maybe Indian reservations aren't what they used to be. Supreme Court strikes again.Vrede too wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:50 amThat wouldn't even require federal involvement, though I'm not sure what current IHS policy is. I believe some tribes are considering it. However, it would be a big step going to war with the misogynist states in which they reside. The potential revenue may be an important factor. In "hater-locked" states like OK it could be huge.neoplacebo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:36 amThey could probably set up abortion services on Indian reservations, too. They're sovereign entities that have their own laws and courts.....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-term- ... 16783.html
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Not clear how that would affect abortion on the reservations, but it might not be good for women and providers. We'll see. We know the misogynists will seize every advantage they can.neoplacebo wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:25 amOpps! Maybe Indian reservations aren't what they used to be. Supreme Court strikes again.Vrede too wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:50 amThat wouldn't even require federal involvement, though I'm not sure what current IHS policy is. I believe some tribes are considering it. However, it would be a big step going to war with the misogynist states in which they reside. The potential revenue may be an important factor. In "hater-locked" states like OK it could be huge.neoplacebo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:36 amThey could probably set up abortion services on Indian reservations, too. They're sovereign entities that have their own laws and courts.....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-term- ... 16783.html
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I just see it as chipping away at the long time autonomy of Indian reservations. I didn't even know that murder on a reservation is prosecuted in federal court until I read it in the article. I always thought they were completely autonomous.Vrede too wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:53 amNot clear how that would affect abortion on the reservations, but it might not be good for women and providers. We'll see. We know the misogynists will seize every advantage they can.neoplacebo wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:25 amOpps! Maybe Indian reservations aren't what they used to be. Supreme Court strikes again.Vrede too wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:50 amThat wouldn't even require federal involvement, though I'm not sure what current IHS policy is. I believe some tribes are considering it. However, it would be a big step going to war with the misogynist states in which they reside. The potential revenue may be an important factor. In "hater-locked" states like OK it could be huge.neoplacebo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:36 amThey could probably set up abortion services on Indian reservations, too. They're sovereign entities that have their own laws and courts.....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-term- ... 16783.html
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Surely the US would not violate honour any agreement, contracts, or treaties made with any indigenous tribes. Has it not always ever been honourable and trustworthy in all any Indian affairs?
Oh wait...fixed it. Must have been dreaming.
Oh wait...fixed it. Must have been dreaming.
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It was the US Army's original "peace with honor" show. They killed just about everybody, claimed peace and victory, and went home. Papers that meant not much were signed by stragglers and throwbacks.
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Chattanooga:neoplacebo wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:29 pmIt was the US Army's original "peace with honor" show. They killed just about everybody, claimed peace and victory, and went home. Papers that meant not much were signed by stragglers and throwbacks.
'They're Just Going to Let Me Die?' One Woman's Abortion Odyssey
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Kansas rejects weakening of abortion rights in ballot initiative
"... the no vote was winning by more than 20 points."
Haha, democracy-hating RW misogynists, you can:
Have Moscow Mitch's create an illegitimate SCOTUS;
Have TRE45ON stack SCOTUS with 3 chronic liars;
See SCOTUS issue an extreme, activist ruling that's bad for America;
Attempt to remove Kansans' rights;
Schedule a vote for the primary because turnout is lower and more con;
But when even Kansas voters get to decide, your sleazy machinations flop.
"... the no vote was winning by more than 20 points."
Haha, democracy-hating RW misogynists, you can:
Have Moscow Mitch's create an illegitimate SCOTUS;
Have TRE45ON stack SCOTUS with 3 chronic liars;
See SCOTUS issue an extreme, activist ruling that's bad for America;
Attempt to remove Kansans' rights;
Schedule a vote for the primary because turnout is lower and more con;
But when even Kansas voters get to decide, your sleazy machinations flop.
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Georgia Abortion Law Says a Fetus Is Tax Deductible
Georgia’s abortion ban counts a fetus as a person. And now, so does its tax code.
The state’s Department of Revenue announced this week that “any unborn child with a detectable human heartbeat” can be claimed as dependent, providing a $3,000 tax exemption for each pregnancy within a household, months before the child is born. Georgia’s law bans most abortions after six weeks, which is usually around when doctors can begin to detect fetal cardiac activity.
The announcement marks a new frontier of anti-abortion policymaking in a post-Roe America, where conservative lawmakers have moved beyond banning abortion and are now trying to expand the legal rights and protections afforded to a fetus under “fetal personhood” laws. Georgia, Alabama and Arizona have passed abortion bans that include language broadly defining a fetus as a person....
So by this same logic--can someone in Georgia who is 20 years, 5 months old now legally drink alcohol? After all, their heartbeat was detectable more than 21 years prior.
What about voting? If election day is more than 17 years, 5 months after you were born, can you vote?
Vrede too wrote:Good point. Will it really be underage porn if she's 17 years and 5 months old?
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So if you take a tax deduction for a fetus, and then subsequently have a miscarriage, do you have to give the tax break back? If the tax return was for, say 2022 but the fetus didn't miscarry until into 2023, then I suppose it wouldn't be any different from any other dependent who died. But suppose you get pregnant in March, 2022 and miscarry in September. Do you pro-rate the deduction? And what date do you put on a birth certificate? There have already been a lot of unintended consequences from the abortion bans - this crap just wanders off into looney bin territory.
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IRS says a baby born alive on Jan 1 and dies on Jan 1 parents still get the exemption for the year. So a fetus that attains heartbeat then misscarries ... But it is jawja.
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Hey, Lefty - welcome back. Thanks, I didn't know that. But jawja is still screwing their own pooch since they're proposing to cover fetuses not born alive.Sometime Lefty wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:38 pmIRS says a baby born alive on Jan 1 and dies on Jan 1 parents still get the exemption for the year. So a fetus that attains heartbeat then misscarries ... But it is jawja.
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You do realize that Sometimes Lefties from 2012 are now considered to be full blown stinking liberals?Sometime Lefty wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:38 pmIRS says a baby born alive on Jan 1 and dies on Jan 1 parents still get the exemption for the year. So a fetus that attains heartbeat then misscarries ... But it is jawja.
Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”
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I assume they have some way of verifying pregnancies - MD note, ultrasound, etc. So, let's leave fake pregnancies aside. Still, what's to stop a woman from claiming a deduction at 6 weeks and one day, then going to another state and getting an abortion? She could do this once a year, or even more often if the law allows.O Really wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:57 pmSo if you take a tax deduction for a fetus, and then subsequently have a miscarriage, do you have to give the tax break back? If the tax return was for, say 2022 but the fetus didn't miscarry until into 2023, then I suppose it wouldn't be any different from any other dependent who died. But suppose you get pregnant in March, 2022 and miscarry in September. Do you pro-rate the deduction? And what date do you put on a birth certificate? There have already been a lot of unintended consequences from the abortion bans - this crap just wanders off into looney bin territory.
Ditto, good to read you.Sometime Lefty wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:38 pmIRS says a baby born alive on Jan 1 and dies on Jan 1 parents still get the exemption for the year. So a fetus that attains heartbeat then miscarries ... But it is jawja.
That kinda makes sense. The hateful misogynists care a lot more about fetuses than they do living kids.
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There's nothing they won't spinVrede too wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:42 amHere's How Conservatives Are Trying To Spin Their Kansas Abortion Loss
Wimps and liars.
Saw a report yesterday that the unemployment number "missed the forecast ".
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers ... r-AA10mbJr
Eamus Catuli~AC 000000 000101 010202 020303 010304 020405....Ahhhh, forget it, it's gonna be a while.
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Even though the feds missed by less than Faux Noise.GoCubsGo wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:49 amThere's nothing they won't spin
Saw a report yesterday that the unemployment number "missed the forecast ".
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers ... r-AA10mbJr
Often the counties most likely to vote GQP, unless it's a Black ag county.A challenge for antiabortion states: Doctors reluctant to work there
... But amid a national shortage of reproductive health practitioners, the early evidence indicates that red states have, at minimum, put themselves at a disadvantage in the competition for crucial front-line providers, experts said....
In another example, a physician contacted by phone by an AMN Healthcare recruiter trying to fill a post in an antiabortion state "simply said, 'Roe versus Wade,' and hung up," Florence said.
Florence said the shift has especially serious implications for small, rural hospitals, which can afford just a small number of maternal specialists or, in some cases, only one....
RepuQ hatred for women is made manifest in more ways than just the obvious. Shame on them.
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Ballot MeasuresVrede too wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:21 pmKansas rejects weakening of abortion rights in ballot initiative
"... the no vote was winning by more than 20 points."
Haha, democracy-hating RW misogynists, you can:
Have Moscow Mitch's create an illegitimate SCOTUS;
Have TRE45ON stack SCOTUS with 3 chronic liars;
See SCOTUS issue an extreme, activist ruling that's bad for America;
Attempt to remove Kansans' rights;
Schedule a vote for the primary because turnout is lower and more con;
But when even Kansas voters get to decide, your sleazy machinations flop.
Abortion
California: Proposition 1 - Guarantee constitutional right to abortion
Projected Winner Yes
Yes 65.0%
No 35.0%
Est. vote in: 47%
Kentucky: Amendment 2 - No constitutional right to abortion
Projected Winner No
No 52.5%
Yes 47.5%
Est. vote in: 96%
Kentucky! FU Moscow Mitch and Rand.
Michigan: Proposal 3 - Guarantee constitutional right to abortion
Projected Winner Yes
Yes 56.6%
No 43.4%
Est. vote in: 97%
And Gov Whitmer was reelected.
Vermont: Proposal 5 - Guarantee constitutional right to abortionMontana: Legislative Referendum 131 - Requires medical care for infants born alive
This measure would adopt the “Born-Alive Infant Protection Act,” which provides that infants born alive, including infants born alive after an abortion, are legal persons and requires health care providers to take necessary actions to preserve the life of a born-alive infant. A “YES” vote supports adopting the act. A “NO” vote opposes the act.
No 52.4%
Yes 47.6%
Est. vote in: 86%
Projected Winner Yes
Yes 76.0%
No 24.0%
Est. vote in: 72%
Huge.
With Kansas that's:
Freedom 5
Fascism 0
Montana not called, but Freedom leading.
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Montana: Legislative Referendum 131 - Requires medical care for infants born alive
Projected Winner (CNN) No
No 52.2%
Yes 47.8%
Est. vote in: 89%
With Kansas that's:
Freedom 6
Fascism 0
Gotta think the issue had a big impact on other races, too.
Projected Winner (CNN) No
No 52.2%
Yes 47.8%
Est. vote in: 89%
With Kansas that's:
Freedom 6
Fascism 0
Gotta think the issue had a big impact on other races, too.