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DOGE wan created with the idea of eliminating wasteful spending by our federal government and reducing government regulations. One of the stated goals is to eliminate $2 trillion in government spending.

Can we agree that eliminating wasteful spending is a laudable and necessary goal?

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Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:43 pm
DOGE wan created with the idea of eliminating wasteful spending by our federal government and reducing government regulations. One of the stated goals is to eliminate $2 trillion in government spending.

Can we agree that eliminating wasteful spending is a laudable and necessary goal?
Not if POTUS Musk is in charge of achieving it illegally.

Can we agree that eliminating wasteful spending at the Pentagon, recipient of over half of discretionary spending, is a laudable and necessary goal if we're serious about reducing the budget?

Then, can we agree that a concentration camp at Gitmo is a huge wasteful unnecessary "drawback" when we can house immigrants for a fraction of the cost here?
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Repealing or amending certain regulations that may not be doing what they are intended to do is a good practice. Reducing regulations on some general principle or in some across the board manner is not.

The answer lies in what is defined as "wasteful spending". To many if not all Republicans, this starts with any program benefitting the unrich.

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Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:43 pm

Can we agree that eliminating wasteful spending is a laudable and necessary goal?
What does that have to do with DOGE?
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Vrede too wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:46 pm
Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:43 pm
DOGE wan created with the idea of eliminating wasteful spending by our federal government and reducing government regulations. One of the stated goals is to eliminate $2 trillion in government spending.

Can we agree that eliminating wasteful spending is a laudable and necessary goal?
Can we agree that eliminating wasteful spending at the Pentagon, recipient of over half of discretionary spending, is a laudable and necessary goal if we're serious about reducing the budget?

Then, can we agree that a concentration camp at Gitmo is a huge wasteful unnecessary "drawback" when we can house immigrants for a fraction of the cost here?
Eliminating wasteful spending at the Pentagon? Definitely!

Concentration camps at Gitmo? I think it is worth the costs. I have no quibble with treating foreign criminals harshly.

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O Really wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:53 pm
Repealing or amending certain regulations that may not be doing what they are intended to do is a good practice. Reducing regulations on some general principle or in some across the board manner is not.

The answer lies in what is defined as "wasteful spending". To many if not all Republicans, this starts with any program benefitting the unrich.
Do you think every program that benefits the poor should be kept in place?

In my view, implementing entitlement programs is among the reasons our government got so out of control with spending.

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GoCubsGo wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:36 pm
Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:43 pm

Can we agree that eliminating wasteful spending is a laudable and necessary goal?
What does that have to do with DOGE?
Well, DOGE wants to eliminate $2 trillion in government spending. If they can do that, that would be great.

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Vrede too wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:46 pm
... Then, can we agree that a concentration camp at Gitmo is a huge wasteful unnecessary "drawback" when we can house immigrants for a fraction of the cost here?
O Really wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:53 pm
... The answer lies in what is defined as "wasteful spending"....
Point proven:
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Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:41 pm
... Concentration camps at Gitmo? I think it is worth the costs. I have no quibble with treating foreign criminals harshly.
Darn that pesky US and international law regarding the treatment of refugees and prisoners.
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Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:44 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:36 pm
Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:43 pm

Can we agree that eliminating wasteful spending is a laudable and necessary goal?
What does that have to do with DOGE?
Well, DOGE wants to eliminate $2 trillion in government spending. If they can do that, that would be great.
Even Musk backed off the $2trill - by half. Now take the total budget, subtract the non-discretionary and the military, and see how much is left. Then try to find a loose trillion.

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Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:41 pm


Concentration camps at Gitmo? I think it is worth the costs. I have no quibble with treating foreign criminals harshly.
You want to put people in concentration camps for committing misdemeanors?
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O Really wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:50 pm
Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:44 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:36 pm
Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:43 pm

Can we agree that eliminating wasteful spending is a laudable and necessary goal?
What does that have to do with DOGE?
Well, DOGE wants to eliminate $2 trillion in government spending. If they can do that, that would be great.
Even Musk backed off the $2trill - by half. Now take the total budget, subtract the non-discretionary and the military, and see how much is left. Then try to find a loose trillion.
Even if we can cut $1 trillion, that would be a good start. My point is, it’s way past time we trim spending.

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Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:43 pm


Do you think every program that benefits the poor should be kept in place?

In my view, implementing entitlement programs is among the reasons our government got so out of control with spending.
Review programs periodically and see if they're doing what they were intended to do. If not, make changes, but I don't know any program benefitting the poor off the top of my head that I think should be cut. What did you have in mind?

As to "out of control" spending, the US ranks #21 in social welfare spending. I guess those others (led by France) must be even more out of control.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... e_spending

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GoCubsGo wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:53 pm
Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:41 pm


Concentration camps at Gitmo? I think it is worth the costs. I have no quibble with treating foreign criminals harshly.
You want to put people in concentration camps for committing misdemeanors?
Consistent with that view would include leaving Britney Griner in a Russian gulog for her criminal activity and not trying to free the American tourists that "accidentally" committed crimes by bringing in ammunition to Turks and Caicos.

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GoCubsGo wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:36 pm
Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:43 pm

Can we agree that eliminating wasteful spending is a laudable and necessary goal?
What does that have to do with DOGE?
:lol:
Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:44 pm
Well, DOGE wants to eliminate $2 trillion in government spending. If they can do that, that would be great.
As with your cheerleading for illegally abusing prisoners are you supportive of POTUS Elon's criminality under the guise of reducing government spending? For an extreme libertarian you sure are trusting of some Big Brother actions. Hmmm.
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Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:50 pm
Even Musk backed off the $2trill - by half. Now take the total budget, subtract the non-discretionary and the military, and see how much is left. Then try to find a loose trillion.
Can we agree that entrusting the project to a huge campaign donor who has tens of billions in government contracts is the worst way to eliminate wasteful spending?
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O Really wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:57 pm
Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:43 pm


Do you think every program that benefits the poor should be kept in place?

In my view, implementing entitlement programs is among the reasons our government got so out of control with spending.
Review programs periodically and see if they're doing what they were intended to do. If not, make changes, but I don't know any program benefitting the poor off the top of my head that I think should be cut. What did you have in mind?

As to "out of control" spending, the US ranks #21 in social welfare spending. I guess those others (led by France) must be even more out of control.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... e_spending
Well, I think welfare can be streamlined. Weed out the people who are abusing the system and cut them off entirely. That supports your suggestion to review government programs and make necessary adjustments if necessary.

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O Really wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:02 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:53 pm
Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:41 pm


Concentration camps at Gitmo? I think it is worth the costs. I have no quibble with treating foreign criminals harshly.
You want to put people in concentration camps for committing misdemeanors?
Consistent with that view would include leaving Britney Griner in a Russian gulog for her criminal activity and not trying to free the American tourists that "accidentally" committed crimes by bringing in ammunition to Turks and Caicos.
The difference is, Griner was in Russia legally. (I suspect he was detained for political reasons, as a way to negotiate an exchange.)

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Vrede too wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:06 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:36 pm
Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:43 pm

Can we agree that eliminating wasteful spending is a laudable and necessary goal?
What does that have to do with DOGE?
:lol:
Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:44 pm
Well, DOGE wants to eliminate $2 trillion in government spending. If they can do that, that would be great.
As with your cheerleading for illegally abusing prisoners are you supportive of POTUS Elon's criminality under the guise of reducing government spending? For an extreme libertarian you sure are trusting of some Big Brother actions. Hmmm.
O Really wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:50 pm
Even Musk backed off the $2trill - by half. Now take the total budget, subtract the non-discretionary and the military, and see how much is left. Then try to find a loose trillion.
Can we agree that entrusting the project to a huge campaign donor who has tens of billions in government contracts is the worst way to eliminate wasteful spending?
Has Musk committed crimes yet? He is just starting.

Did you complain when George Soros donated money to the DNC?

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Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:43 pm
Do you think every program that benefits the poor should be kept in place?

In my view, implementing entitlement programs is among the reasons our government got so out of control with spending.
Jasmine despises:
The poor
Surviving children and spouses
The elderly
Native Americans
Veterans
The disabled, etc.

Anyhow, silly, DOGE has zero ability to control entitlement spending. That's why it's called non-discretionary. Civics much?
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Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:10 pm
The difference is, Griner was in Russia legally. (I suspect he was detained for political reasons, as a way to negotiate an exchange.)
:headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch:

It's not legal to smuggle hash oil into Russia and Brittney Griner is a woman. "Brittney" and WNBA are huge clues.

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Vrede too wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:30 pm
Jasmine wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:10 pm
The difference is, Griner was in Russia legally. (I suspect he was detained for political reasons, as a way to negotiate an exchange.)
:headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch:

It's not legal to smuggle hash oil into Russia and Brittney Griner is a woman. "Brittney" and WNBA are huge clues.

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Ha ha ha! :lol:

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