The LEO thread

[O Really]

Age 22, are we really going to have to put up with his whiny, smirking ass for the rest of our lives?

I'm guessing, for whatever reasons there might be, we are not. He doesn't appear to be living a low-risk life.

[Vrede too]

Age 22, are we really going to have to put up with his whiny, smirking ass for the rest of our lives?

I'm guessing, for whatever reasons there might be, we are not. He doesn't appear to be living a low-risk life.

Allah willing.

Great minds ...
I thought pretty much the same thing, but toned down how radical I come off.

[O Really]

Checkpoints for "DUI" (really also lic, reg, insurance, obvious equipment issues, active pot smoking, visible illegalities, fugitives, etc) are a police intrusion upon all of us without probable cause, and as you note they are a slippery slope for things like ICE checkpoints.

Yeah, they could be described as such, but my client, the Devil, would remind us that we are driving on the damgummint's roads and they are entitled to enforce their laws. As long as they stop everybody at a given point, it's non-selective. As I said, I don't personally like tight traffic enforcement, maybe because of learning to drive around DC where the most important skills at the time were gas, horn, and finger, not necessarily in that order, but I understand the need. The question is whether that practice leads to potential abuse/harm or actual abuse/harm. I'd say historically the abuse has been at about the same level we put up with by law enforcement all the time, but if ICE participates I'd say the chances of abuse are 100% absolutely guaranteed.

[Vrede too]

Checkpoints for "DUI" (really also lic, reg, insurance, obvious equipment issues, active pot smoking, visible illegalities, fugitives, etc) are a police intrusion upon all of us without probable cause, and as you note they are a slippery slope for things like ICE checkpoints.

Yeah, they could be described as such, but my client, the Devil, would remind us that we are driving on the damgummint's roads and they are entitled to enforce their laws.

I hold the minority view that the 4th Amendment applies.

[O Really]

Checkpoints for "DUI" (really also lic, reg, insurance, obvious equipment issues, active pot smoking, visible illegalities, fugitives, etc) are a police intrusion upon all of us without probable cause, and as you note they are a slippery slope for things like ICE checkpoints.

Yeah, they could be described as such, but my client, the Devil, would remind us that we are driving on the damgummint's roads and they are entitled to enforce their laws.

I hold the minority view that the 4th Amendment applies.

Yup, that would be the minority view and, if you go by Supreme Court decisions, a moot one since 1990. Of course Supreme Court decisions don't mean so much anymore, so maybe it can be ignored.

DUI Checkpoints and the Fourth Amendment
The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution safeguards individuals against unreasonable searches and seizures. Ordinarily, law enforcement requires probable cause to conduct a search or stop a vehicle.

Fourth Amendment
Consequently, DUI sobriety checkpoints, where drivers are stopped without individualized suspicion, appear to contradict this protection at first glance. However, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that DUI checkpoints are constitutional under certain conditions.

In the landmark case Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz (1990), the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of DUI checkpoints, asserting that the state's interest in preventing drunk driving outweighed the minor intrusion on motorists' Fourth Amendment rights.

The Court emphasized that such checkpoints serve a significant public safety function, deterring impaired driving and reducing alcohol-related accidents. This ruling established that DUI checkpoints are permissible if they adhere to specific guidelines, ensuring minimal inconvenience and fairness.

The legal requirements for California DUI sobriety checkpoints are as follows:

The checkpoint must exhibit sufficient signs of its nature.
The criteria for stopping motorists must be neutral.
Drivers should be detained for a minimal amount of time.
The checkpoint's duration should reflect sound judgment.
The checkpoint must be reasonably located.
Supervising officers must make all decisions.
Adequate safety precautions must be taken.
Publicly advertised a roadblock in advance.

BTW, you are joined in your dissent by Justices Brennan, Marshall, and Stevens.

[Vrede too]

BTW, you are joined in your dissent by Justices Brennan, Marshall, and Stevens.

My heroes. I wrote a major paper on Marshall's defense of the 1A.

[neoplacebo]

Meanwhile, a FL sheriff just stomped the shitty little Kyle Rittenhouse for lying about a supposed "stand your ground" killing in FL. The killer rode a tractor over a mile to the victim's house, began assaulting the victim's wife, the victim came out, unarmed, to assist his wife and the killer shot him dead. Watch your ass, Kyle.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/idi ... 50868.html

... “I think both of you (Kyle and his attorney, Anthony Sabatini) are jokes, and I don’t think you should make a damn cent off the suffering of someone else,” he said. “So, if you don’t like that, well you can file that under I don’t really give a damn. I know people aren’t’ going to like this, and I don’t care about that either. I’m so disgusted and sad for the Keen family and their loss and the fact that these two yo-yos are going to try to make money and news on it. And I probably shouldn’t give them this, but I think the public deserves to know this doesn’t have a damn thing to do with the Second Amendment or Stand Your Ground. So, I hope that many of you will reach out and tell these two jack-wagons what you think about what they are doing to this family suffering....

Age 22, are we really going to have to put up with his whiny, smirking ass for the rest of our lives?

I'm reasonably confident that this guy will not enjoy a long and peaceful life. And while I'm at it, let me extend that same sentiment to the fabulous Kyle. In any case, it will be another thirteen years or so before Kyle can run for president (like some GQP idiots urged after he murdered two people in WI) so I hope not to be around to witness it. Maybe a tragic "accident" involving guns will befall young Kyle.

[Vrede too]

I'm reasonably confident that this guy will not enjoy a long and peaceful life. And while I'm at it, let me extend that same sentiment to the fabulous Kyle. In any case, it will be another thirteen years or so before Kyle can run for president (like some GQP idiots urged after he murdered two people in WI) so I hope not to be around to witness it. Maybe a tragic "accident" involving guns will befall young Kyle.

George Zimmerman is still walking free.

[O Really]

George Zimmerman is still walking free.

Unfortunately so, but he seems to have lived a pretty miserable life overall. And as far as I know he didn't go to any rallies bragging about his kill.

[Vrede too]

George Zimmerman is still walking free.

Unfortunately so, but he seems to have lived a pretty miserable life overall. And as far as I know he didn't go to any rallies bragging about his kill.

I think we may have all predicted he'd be dead by now, nearly 14 years after the murder. Sigh.

True, GZ did not do physical rallies AFAIK, but he was no shrinking violet online. His Life after the trial included:
The auction of sometimes plagiarized paintings for ridiculous prices;
Flame wars on Twitter;
The auction of the Trayvon-slaying gun;
Failed lawsuits vs the Martin family and others involved in the trial, Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren.

Kyle may have deliberately improved of the GZ model for monetizing murder by soaking the right wing.

[neoplacebo]

Just now saw this story about the cop who killed Tamir Rice has been fired again. This guy must really be a dumbass.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/off ... 22380.html

[Vrede too]

Just now saw this story about the cop who killed Tamir Rice has been fired again. This guy must really be a dumbass.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/off ... 22380.html

Too dumb to do anything else says a lot about American policing.

... Subodh Chandra, a Cleveland-based attorney for Rice’s family, said that “Loehmann’s determination to inflict himself on other people seems pathological. So does the craven poor judgment required by any public officials who hire him.” ...

FBI agent who initially investigated fatal ICE shooting in Minneapolis has resigned

The FBI agent who initially began working with the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension to investigate the fatal ICE shooting of Renee Good has resigned from the bureau, two sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

Soon after the agent opened the civil rights investigation, she was ordered to reclassify it as an investigation into an assault on the officer. The FBI blocked the BCA from participating in the investigation....

The agent’s resignation comes as the agency has undergone another purge of seasoned FBI agents across several states, multiple sources familiar with the departures told CNN. Some of the people who are being pushed out were confronted after the bureau conducted a review of the FBI’s internal messaging system and discovered instances when they made negative comments about President Donald Trump, according to the people familiar.

Some of those comments go as far back as a decade, the sources said.

The removals are part of an ongoing effort led by Director Kash Patel to oust individuals involved in past investigations, including those related to Trump, and include top FBI officials in New Orleans, Miami and beyond.

During his confirmation hearing last January, Patel told members of Congress that no one in the FBI “will be terminated for case assignments” and said he “will not … go backwards.”

“There will be no politicization at the FBI. There will be no retributive actions taken,” Patel said.

MAGA always LIES.

This summer, the FBI Agents Association, a non-profit that provides various resources to current and former agents, warned lawmakers in a letter that Patel was “making personnel decisions without providing the due process protections promised to the recently terminated law enforcement officers under federal law.”

MAGA always breaks the law....

[Vrede too]

The best of us?

Border Patrol Employee Arrested in Minnesota After Being Found Passed Out in Car and ‘Covered in Vomit’

The people demand the body cam video!

Probably a good time to mention:

... undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes....

This is particularly relevant when moronic MAGAts like to cherry pick particular tragedies, thus demonstrating that they care nothing for the victims. Instead, they're just exploiting them as expressions of their own pitiful bigotry. Shameful.

[O Really]

Rightwing yayhoos viewpoint:

Fellow yayhoo shoots up or runs a car into a crowd: "he's mentally ill, or probably a lib pretending to be one of us."

Brown guy convicted for simple assault: "see, all those Meskins and brown ILLEGALS are evil rapists, murderers, and probably Democrats. Brutally capture and deport them all to places they've never been before."

[Vrede too]

Rightwing yayhoos viewpoint:

Fellow yayhoo shoots up or runs a car into a crowd: "he's mentally ill, or probably a lib pretending to be one of us."

Brown guy convicted for simple assault: "see, all those Meskins and brown ILLEGALS are evil rapists, murderers, and probably Democrats. Brutally capture and deport them all to places they've never been before."

Along the same lines:

Armed rightwing yayhoo gets in a tussle with LEOs - lives to tell the tale.

Armed leftwinger gets in a tussle with LEOs - Alex Pretti.

[Anonymous too]

Jasmine Crockett says entering the country illegally is not a crime. Also, it's law enforcement's job to solve crimes, not to prevent crimes.

[supesalemgr2]

Jasmine Crockett says entering the country illegally is not a crime. Also, it's law enforcement's job to solve crimes, not to prevent crimes.

Just stay out of her way.

[Anonymous too]

Increased Cooperation Claims: On February 4, "Border Czar" Tom Homan announced a drawdown of 700 federal officers from Minnesota, citing a new "increase in unprecedented collaboration" from state and local officials who have reportedly agreed to turn over arrested immigrants to federal custody.
Protest Arrests: Local police have intervened in protest scenarios where property damage or public safety was at risk. For example, in late January, police arrested 26 individuals for "riotous conduct" and "unlawful assembly" during a protest outside a Minnesota hotel where they believed ICE agents were staying.
https://katv.com/news/nation-world/poli ... reg-bovino

Peaceful protest

[Vrede too]

2 weeks after Savannah Guthrie's mother was kidnapped the suspect is IDed by the FBI as being 5'9" or 5'10" and of average build. The backpack was bought by someone, not necessarily the suspect, from Walmart in the last few months. Well, that really narrows it down . You're doing a heckuva job, Ka$hie.

Surprise surprise:

DHS says immigration agents appear to have lied about shooting in Minnesota

Two federal immigration agents involved in the shooting of a Venezuelan immigrant in Minneapolis last month appear to have lied about the details of the incident, a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security said Friday.

The agents have been placed on administrative leave after "a joint review by ICE and the Department of Justice of video evidence has revealed that sworn testimony provided by two separate officers appears to have made untruthful statements," the spokesperson, Tricia McLaughlin, said.

The rare acknowledgment of potential missteps by ICE agents comes after the agency's acting director, Todd Lyons, told Congress on Thursday that ICE has conducted 37 investigations into officers' use of force over the past year. He didn't say whether anyone has been fired.

He knows that we'll be offended by how low the tally is.

It's a "rare acknowledgment" because there's video evidence this time that would have come out at trial.

McLaughlin said the agency is investigating the January 14 shooting of the Venezuelan immigrant, and the officers involved could be fired or criminally prosecuted for any violations....

You did a heckuva job, Bovino.

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[Vrede too]

Our "justice" system:

New York man freed after 19 years in prison for robbery he didn't commit

Texas woman exonerated in a baby's death walks free after 22 years in prison
Carmen Mejia wasn’t immediately released because of an immigration hold stemming from her conviction. Federal officials said she will be allowed to stay in the U.S. until her temporary protected status expires.

Doesn't America owe her a free pass to stay forever?

An exonerated Idaho man finally had his freedom. What came next was 'incomprehensible.'
Chris Tapp was working to make a difference for others wrongfully convicted when tragedy struck.

... When Tapp appeared to know little about Dodge’s apartment, for instance, she (Carol Dodge, the victim's mother) was stunned to see investigators show him crime scene images. Steve Drizin, a clinical professor of law at Northwestern University and co-director of the Center on Wrongful Convictions, reviewed videos of the confession at Carol Dodge’s request and told “Dateline” it was the “worst example of police contamination” and “fact-feeding” that he’d ever seen....

How an NBC News journalist helped free six innocent men from prison
Analysis: At least 100,000 of the nearly 2 million people locked up across America could be wrongfully convicted, one estimate shows. But over 30 years, only 3,500 have been exonerated.

... My prolonged proximity to all the facets of our justice system has spotlighted one inescapable issue — the disturbing frequency with which innocent people are sent to prison and the staggering difficulty of rectifying that injustice, even when it is obvious.

... We know the biggest contributors to wrongful convictions: Unreliable eyewitnesses. False confessions, often extracted under duress. Ineffective defense attorneys. Witnesses with incentives to lie. Police and prosecutorial misconduct. Junk forensic science....

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Then, there are non-cops:

Nancy Guthrie News: Savannah Guthrie ‘Livid’ Over Report Linking BIL Tommaso Cioni to Case

... Former NewsNation host Ashleigh Banfield first claimed that Cioni was being investigated in connection with Nancy’s disappearance shortly after the 84 year old went missing. Days later, Rob Shuter reported on February 5 that Savannah, 54, was considering possible legal action against Banfield.

As In Touch previously reported, the Pima County Sheriff’s Department quickly pushed back on Banfield’s claims.

“We have not identified a suspect or person of interest in this case,” a spokesperson from the department told TMZ on February 4. “Detectives continue to speak with anyone who may have had contact with Mrs. Guthrie. We are also awaiting additional forensic results.”

Soon after, the department announced that “all siblings and spouses have been cleared as possible suspects.” Since then, there have been few leads in the case....

, Ashleigh?